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Sep 18, 2008 11:16 |  #61

rexspangle wrote in post #6333582 (external link)
f.y.i. Billboards are printed at low dpi.. like even 7dpi or 16ish... a 4mp image could even be fine for a billboards due to the distance you are viewing them at.... I don't even think you could work with or save a 300 dpi file in PS at billboard size.

That was a tongue-in-cheek, but it's still good to learn about how these omnipresent billboards are made... :)



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Sep 18, 2008 11:41 |  #62

SYS wrote in post #6333669 (external link)
That was a tongue-in-cheek, but it's still good to learn about how these omnipresent billboards are made... :)

Yeah I figured that with the smiley face.... :)




  
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Sep 18, 2008 11:49 |  #63

Bob_A wrote in post #6329890 (external link)
I'm glad the camera was finally announced, but I'll just have to wait and see if it has any of the improvements I was hoping for:

What I could care less about, but have no issue with them being included:

21.1MP
Live View
HDMI out
Video mode

What I'm hoping for:

Even better high ISO performance than the 5D
A camera that sets the standard for DR - Maybe it does, but you certainly can't tell by the poor sample images that have been posted so far.
Improved AF
Improved auto WB
Improved microlens design to reduce the impact of light falloff at the edges of the sensor (hopefully not just some software based approach).

What I'm happy to see:

Sensor cleaning system
Micro AF adjust
Digic 4

There is nothing in particular about the announcement that I am disappointed with. It's just that I've seen nothing so far to prove that some the things I was hoping for are there. I'll just have to wait for DPReview to post their full review of a production model before making up my mind. If I just cared about movie mode, 21MP and a Canon logo I'd be pretty pumped right now! :)

Agreed + highest possible standard of weather sealing.


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Sep 18, 2008 11:57 |  #64

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Agreed + highest possible standard of weather sealing.

Don't know if it has the highest possible standard but it looks to be pretty well sealed.


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Sep 18, 2008 11:57 |  #65

airfrogusmc wrote in post #6331905 (external link)
If you call 25,600 ISO left over technology. Thats a full stop faster.

Two stops faster if we're talking about leftover technology from 1D series.


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Sep 18, 2008 12:02 |  #66

I hope the 5D II blows everyone away with amazing noise control and focusing despite the specs. I don't know, it just seems like an ignorant move on Canon's part to make their second best line of cameras market strategy the same as that geared with the Rebels and point and shoots. It's not the top of the line but it's still very much a professionally geared camera right? From all the grumbling it's pretty obvious what the pro's think of it already.


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Sep 18, 2008 12:32 as a reply to  @ lonelyjew's post |  #67

Curious as to what people are happy with?.... anything else other than low noise?

After all it is all about the final image and I guess we may just need to "work" a little harder while staying out of harsh weather conditions to capture a great image without fancy AF and higher fps..

Overall I am happy and the price is pretty good.... Low noise at higher iso's was the top of my list but that didn't mean practically ignore everything else.. :rolleyes:


this is kinda interesting if you haven't read it:

http://uk.news.yahoo.c​om …rs-held-back-e870a33.html (external link)




  
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Sep 18, 2008 13:16 |  #68

lonelyjew wrote in post #6333945 (external link)
I hope the 5D II blows everyone away with amazing noise control and focusing despite the specs. I don't know, it just seems like an ignorant move on Canon's part to make their second best line of cameras market strategy the same as that geared with the Rebels and point and shoots. It's not the top of the line but it's still very much a professionally geared camera right? From all the grumbling it's pretty obvious what the pro's think of it already.

Actually, the skill level of the grumblers means nothing since:
NO ONE HAS USED ONE YET! ;)

Remain calm and let the early adopters wring it out...


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Sep 18, 2008 13:36 |  #69

There will come a day when consumers could custom order (like we now do with PCs and cars) the camera with the desired specs from Canon... No more whining then, eh... ;)



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Sep 18, 2008 13:41 |  #70

If the spot-metering can be linked to the active focus point (like the 1D3) then I'm in! For me, that's the single most annoying limitation of the current 5D.


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Sep 18, 2008 13:57 |  #71

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If the spot-metering can be linked to the active focus point (like the 1D3) then I'm in! For me, that's the single most annoying limitation of the current 5D.

I read somewhere that it is still linked to the center point only. I believe it was dpreview. I hope it was wrong but probably not. :(


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Sep 18, 2008 16:07 |  #72

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #6334443 (external link)
Actually, the skill level of the grumblers means nothing since:
NO ONE HAS USED ONE YET! ;)

Remain calm and let the early adopters wring it out...

+1
grumblers haven't even laid hands on it and you're listening to them? c'mon at least wait for reviews to start grumbling


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Sep 18, 2008 16:14 |  #73

SYS wrote in post #6334567 (external link)
There will come a day when consumers could custom order (like we now do with PCs and cars) the camera with the desired specs from Canon... No more whining then, eh... ;)

What a thought!


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Sep 18, 2008 16:58 |  #74

mod closed down this thread
https://photography-on-the.net …hread.php?t=570​657&page=2
and asked us to continue here
before that, this was posted
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"hooo that is a very protective canon customer ... Troll ... yes sure, whatever. I shoot Canon if you want to know. What is the opposite of Troll? Canon fanatic? well yes i think that is what some people around here are.

If you trust Canon split design to old water, well be my guest. Why is it so hard for canon to put Sealings!!!! I ll tell you: MARKETING: 1D pro series have it, dont put it on other bodies. that is what canon is thinking (https://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php​?t=570617 rumors? or else ...).

Now i can understand you are happy with this (one more time) incremental weather sealing upgrade. Some people are easily satisfied even when it come to drop 3000 buck in a camera. Now, are you happy with the prehistoric AF and not-exactly-new sensor? and the rest of the camera in general? honestly, I am not thrilled at all by canon performances, and for this reason only i am more enclined to bash canon than to find excuses to their lousy development politics. that is all. Now if you think i am a troll, then i am. But you will see a growing number of us now. So get on with it."

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it is apparently very hard for canon to put sealing on the mark II.
http://a.img-dpreview.com …5DMarkII/Images​/seals.jpg (external link)

gee, i don't see seals anywhere! lol. i trust canon people who have tested the seals, whereas you obviously haven't. why would they state their claim of 10mm/3min if it wasn't backed? 10mm/3min is pretty hard (harder than extreme rain according to wikipedia) rain, so i would expect this camera to work if that is what Canon, who made and tested the camera, claims.

prehistoric AF...instead of whining maybe you should make the effort to get your questions answered? this person at dpreview did by asking Canon Tech reps...

http://forums.dpreview​.com …orum=1032&threa​d=29373689 (external link)
"They described the AF as being 9 points of cross sensors with the center sensor having another cross at 45 degrees so it has 8 arms."

this is my understanding of the AF:
original
9 main/6 assist
1 cross type (center)
1 f/2.8 sensitive
digic II

mark II
9 main/6 assist
9 cross type
3 f/2.8 sensitive (1 main, 2 assist)
digic 4
i see improvement, and i will wait until reviews to see if it works in practice.


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Sep 18, 2008 17:09 |  #75

Sfordphoto wrote in post #6335925 (external link)
mod closed down this thread
https://photography-on-the.net …hread.php?t=570​657&page=2
and asked us to continue here
before that, this was posted
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"hooo that is a very protective canon customer ... Troll ... yes sure, whatever. I shoot Canon if you want to know. What is the opposite of Troll? Canon fanatic? well yes i think that is what some people around here are.

If you trust Canon split design to old water, well be my guest. Why is it so hard for canon to put Sealings!!!! I ll tell you: MARKETING: 1D pro series have it, dont put it on other bodies. that is what canon is thinking (https://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php​?t=570617 rumors? or else ...).

Now i can understand you are happy with this (one more time) incremental weather sealing upgrade. Some people are easily satisfied even when it come to drop 3000 buck in a camera. Now, are you happy with the prehistoric AF and not-exactly-new sensor? and the rest of the camera in general? honestly, I am not thrilled at all by canon performances, and for this reason only i am more enclined to bash canon than to find excuses to their lousy development politics. that is all. Now if you think i am a troll, then i am. But you will see a growing number of us now. So get on with it."

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it is apparently very hard for canon to put sealing on the mark II.
http://a.img-dpreview.com …5DMarkII/Images​/seals.jpg (external link)

gee, i don't see seals anywhere! lol. i trust canon people who have tested the seals, whereas you obviously haven't. why would they state their claim of 10mm/3min if it wasn't backed? 10mm/3min is pretty hard (harder than extreme rain according to wikipedia) rain, so i would expect this camera to work if that is what Canon, who made and tested the camera, claims.

prehistoric AF...instead of whining maybe you should make the effort to get your questions answered? this person at dpreview did by asking Canon Tech reps...

http://forums.dpreview​.com …orum=1032&threa​d=29373689 (external link)
"They described the AF as being 9 points of cross sensors with the center sensor having another cross at 45 degrees so it has 8 arms."

this is my understanding of the AF:
original
9 main/6 assist
1 cross type (center)
1 f/2.8 sensitive
digic II

mark II
9 main/6 assist
9 cross type
3 f/2.8 sensitive (1 main, 2 assist)
digic 4
i see improvement, and i will wait until reviews to see if it works in practice.


I can barely make heads or tails of what you have posted here, but want to point out that Canon USA's website has now been updated to indicate that the Mk II only has ONE cross-type AF sensor.




  
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