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How many are going with the 40D after reading 50d reviews?

 
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Nov 04, 2008 08:49 |  #46

basroil wrote in post #6621175 (external link)
You're falling into the same stupid argument that most people do.

...... When you use the camera at f5.6 or faster, then the extra MP will be helpful .......

And just for your info, the only (1.6x) camera not diffraction limited at f11 is the 10d. If you really want sharp 100% crops, get a 10d.

If I may ask: What is the significance in 5.6 faster and or slower? Is there something that one should keep in mind that affects sharpness beyond or below 5.6?


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Nov 04, 2008 08:52 |  #47

I would have no problem with either camera if money was no issue. You just have to decide if the 50D has enough advantage over the 40D to justify the extra cost. It is an individual choice.


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Nov 04, 2008 09:24 as a reply to  @ post 6617216 |  #48

"Heck, after reading the 40D reviews, I'm glad I'm keeping my 30D.."

Very true. Take a look back at the hundreds of threads whenever the 40D was released. Very similar to the current 40D to 50D threads.

Many thought that the 30D to 40D ISO noise was a step backward. Many still do. There were thousands of photos and examples. Judge for yourself.

I've had both a 30D and 40D. Kept the 30D until something really wows me ISO wise in the XXD line.




  
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Nov 04, 2008 09:44 |  #49

I don't know why anybody is surprised by these high-ISO results. That's what you get when you pump so many megapixels into a small sensor.

This really has to stop - loss of IQ aside, my computer can't handle files that big. Nikon got it right with this new generation of bodies, Canon's missed the mark.

ISO12800 on APS-C is such a pointless gimmick too - push a 5D or 1DIII image up to ISO12800 and I can guarantee you you'll get better results.

I refuse to buy any new Canon bodies until they start dropping the megapixel counts - it's the only possible way to get them to listen :(.


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Nov 04, 2008 14:31 |  #50

Does the "higher iso noise as # of pixels increase on aps-c sensors" theory hold true if one were to take smaller pictures megapixel-wise? I don't recall seeing any studies on ISO noise when shot at 8mp (or whatever the choice is) on the 50d as opposed to full resolution.


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Nov 04, 2008 15:34 |  #51

perryge wrote in post #6621570 (external link)
I don't know why anybody is surprised by these high-ISO results. That's what you get when you pump so many megapixels into a small sensor.

This really has to stop - loss of IQ aside, my computer can't handle files that big. Nikon got it right with this new generation of bodies, Canon's missed the mark.

ISO12800 on APS-C is such a pointless gimmick too - push a 5D or 1DIII image up to ISO12800 and I can guarantee you you'll get better results.

I refuse to buy any new Canon bodies until they start dropping the megapixel counts - it's the only possible way to get them to listen :(.

My 50D is great.

Maybe Nikon has more of what you are looking for........




  
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Nov 04, 2008 15:44 |  #52

perryge wrote in post #6621570 (external link)
I refuse to buy any new Canon bodies until they start dropping the megapixel counts - it's the only possible way to get them to listen :(.

Unfortunately, I think you will be in the minority. Except for the better educated (like those on this forum) the megapixel war will continue. Bigger numbers are good.. so is hyping those numbers through marketing. Which means sales and a corporation like Canon will not care as long as they are making $$.

Personally, I would love to upgrade my 20D to something newer just to get some of the newer technology like spot metering, sensor cleaning, and larger LCD. Basically, features that I feel I could use. BUT, by the time I get the $$ to upgrade, I am betting the 50D will be last year's model. Yea, I know....whine..whine.
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Nov 04, 2008 16:16 as a reply to  @ who me?'s post |  #53

I'm going to stick with my 30D. I feel it has the correct pixel density for an APS-C sensor.


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Nov 04, 2008 17:40 |  #54

perryge wrote in post #6621570 (external link)
I refuse to buy any new Canon bodies until they start dropping the megapixel counts - it's the only possible way to get them to listen :(.

Better keep what you've got then.

The high iso Dpreview review is blown way out of proportion if you ask me. If you turn off all in camera noise reduction one can achieve good usable results at iso 6400. Noise can be overcome quite easily in post processing with a third party app.




  
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Nov 04, 2008 19:55 |  #55

KarlMarsh wrote in post #6623931 (external link)
I'm going to stick with my 30D. I feel it has the correct pixel density for an APS-C sensor.

Was excited to upgrade from my 30D when news of the 50D came out... But have since decided to pick up a 35L instead :D I am perfectly happy with my 30D still.


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Nov 04, 2008 20:14 |  #56

Paul_B wrote in post #6616931 (external link)
this is really worth while reading, a Review,, read it through

http://www.amazon.com …3?_encoding=UTF​8&cdPage=3 (external link)

yes yes, it's from Amazon, but read it.

Fantastic review, easy to understand too.


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Nov 04, 2008 20:26 as a reply to  @ AnimalRights's post |  #57

yes, I found it to be a great review. I liked that she uses the 50D / 40D / and the Nikon D300.

compares them all, and shares thoughts on each.

further down, she refers to the DP review,

a paste of some of it, see the rest at that link, near bottom of

As you can tell from the Introduction section of my review, I have great respect for the technical reviews done by dpreview. For example, I waited until Phil Askey had done the review of the Nikon D300 before purchasing it. Their review of the Canon 50D was released a few days ago on Thursday, October 30, 2008. It contains a list of thirty (30) positives and seven (7) negatives. Two (2) of the negatives are the usual - poor white balance under artificial light and the flash must be up for AF assist lamp although they did acknowledge that AF is now good even in low light. However, I think you should bear the other five (5) in mind when considering the Canon 50D.

Here is a summary of the negatives along with my comments:
1.The image quality of the Canon 50D is NOT significantly better than the Canon 40D.
They did agree that the image quality is better. However, they did not feel that it was significant enough to justify the price. However, IMO the price difference is not just about the image quality. It is also about all the new/changed features when compared to the Canon 40D. I still feel that there is a slight better image quality over the Nikon D300 and a clear difference over the Canon 40D. There are many other users who have reported this. However, you need to take the dpreview findings into consideration as they perform much more stringent tests when it comes to image quality. If you were thinking of buying the Canon 50D over the Canon 40D just for better image quality then you should really consider the latter camera.


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Nov 04, 2008 21:04 as a reply to  @ Paul_B's post |  #58

What a lot of people are basing their conclusion on with these not so good Dpreview results is the fact the camera (50D) comes factory set with Noise Reduction turned ON. If its set to OFF the results are better, where as you don't get that mushed out look in the Color Channels.




  
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Nov 04, 2008 21:11 |  #59

I already have the 40D but then the 50D came out and I was gonna switch... but with that review from DPReview... might as well fund my 5D and keep the 40D for a back-up




  
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Nov 04, 2008 22:26 |  #60

David Ransley wrote in post #6621239 (external link)
If I may ask: What is the significance in 5.6 faster and or slower? Is there something that one should keep in mind that affects sharpness beyond or below 5.6?

No you may not ;)

Like i said before, slower than f5.6 (i.e. f8, f11), the 50d will be diffraction limited. That doesn't mean that it will have less quality than a 40d or 10d or even a D30. It'll just not get any more information that is of any use. Below 5.6 (FASTER than 5.6), the lenses will likely be design limited, but at least there's no diffraction limit.


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