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Nov 14, 2008 11:59 as a reply to  @ post 6683571 |  #91

Hello All,

It has been a while so I thought I would drop in and share a couple thoughts and post some images to keep in accordance with the new bylaws :lol:


Brice,

You have come a long way my old friend!

Jeff,

I have looked at a lot of your photos now and one thing that is consistent across them all is an utter disregard for your backgrounds. You do great capturing the action, and if you are making collages out of these then no problems. Sounds like you have floor access to the meets that you shoot which makes this an even bigger sin. Choose your angles carefully and try and get a better DOF by getting closer to the subject, if possible. All just my humble opinion.

Here are a couple of "fun with photoshop" images as well as a couple from a recent meet. The angle on the beam was interesting and the parents seem to like something a bit different than usual.

IMAGE: http://images43.fotki.com/v1369/photos/1/1034366/6906110/EO_first_final-vi.jpg

Instead of throwing away the butt shot I thought I would try this:

IMAGE: http://images42.fotki.com/v1380/photos/1/1034366/6906110/8x12_rose_final-vi.jpg

she loved it!

Low res with no NR or sharpening (yet)

IMAGE: http://images115.fotki.com/v666/photos/1/1034366/6906110/JagMeet291_37-vi.jpg

IMAGE: http://images115.fotki.com/v669/photos/1/1034366/6906110/JagMeet421_62-vi.jpg



  
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Nov 14, 2008 12:04 as a reply to  @ fugfuggy's post |  #92

Also,

I wanted to share a work in progress that i am working on for our girls. Have a look and tell me what you think.

http://gsgboosters.com​/blog/index.php/Malibu​/ (external link)

And, one more image that justin wanted me to share. Took my monkey to ventura beach after a competition to try and get some sunset pics. I killed one light stand, one umbrella, and my speedlight fell into the saltwater and is now DEAD! Oh well, I got the shot :P

IMAGE: http://images43.fotki.com/v1330/photos/1/1034366/6862666/sectionalsandbeach390_025-vi.jpg



  
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Nov 14, 2008 12:18 |  #93

fugfuggy wrote in post #6686183 (external link)
Hello All,

It has been a while so I thought I would drop in and share a couple thoughts and post some images to keep in accordance with the new bylaws :lol:

Brice,

You have come a long way my old friend!

Jeff,

I have looked at a lot of your photos now and one thing that is consistent across them all is an utter disregard for your backgrounds. You do great capturing the action, and if you are making collages out of these then no problems. Sounds like you have floor access to the meets that you shoot which makes this an even bigger sin. Choose your angles carefully and try and get a better DOF by getting closer to the subject, if possible. All just my humble opinion.

Here are a couple of "fun with photoshop" images as well as a couple from a recent meet. The angle on the beam was interesting and the parents seem to like something a bit different than usual.

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Instead of throwing away the butt shot I thought I would try this:

QUOTED IMAGE

she loved it!

Low res with no NR or sharpening (yet)

QUOTED IMAGE

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Well thank you for your opinion but I really dont have that much control over the photos I take beacuse I shoot everyone on the floor and/or beam because we cover the event with my company. We provide action photos for the meets.
We shoot thousands and thousands at a single meet and hard be artsie fartsie when you try to get THE shot... Unlike the other photogs that just shoot a couple people and can play with there settings and able to either shoot raw or close to it.
I dont have that luxury...hehe
Thanks anyway....(note to self get batteries for my key board):D


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Nov 14, 2008 12:20 |  #94

fugfuggy wrote in post #6686216 (external link)
Also,

I wanted to share a work in progress that i am working on for our girls. Have a look and tell me what you think.

http://gsgboosters.com​/blog/index.php/Malibu​/ (external link)

And, one more image that justin wanted me to share. Took my monkey to ventura beach after a competition to try and get some sunset pics. I killed one light stand, one umbrella, and my speedlight fell into the saltwater and is now DEAD! Oh well, I got the shot :P

QUOTED IMAGE

VERY VERY NICE!!!!!!! I ABSOLUTLY LOVE THIS ONE......


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Nov 14, 2008 13:57 |  #95

FugFuggy, that beam shot poster is great!


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Nov 14, 2008 14:28 |  #96

sid.,... i have my lens.... :)


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Nov 16, 2008 17:08 |  #97

Here are two from last week. It was an almost impossible gym to shoot in. We only have one meet left this year and I'm thinking about making a purchase for next year. Does anyone have an opinion on which would be the better option, upgrading to a 40d or buying a 135L. Right now I have an XTi and 85mm 1.8. Thanks.
Jay


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Nov 16, 2008 18:37 |  #98

felixapproach wrote in post #6699374 (external link)
... Does anyone have an opinion on which would be the better option, upgrading to a 40d or buying a 135L. Right now I have an XTi and 85mm 1.8. Thanks.
Jay

I was in a similar situation last year Jay. I went with the 40D body. I think the AF, better high ISO and more megapixels will me for this season!

Should be some smoking deals on a 40D now!


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Nov 16, 2008 22:15 |  #99

JEFF 1D wrote in post #6685752 (external link)
I still see only 2 browser buttons do i have uploadfm a different place?:confused:

Jeff, I keep my files stored on my hosting site in a POTN directory. That location is http://thewolfords.com​/POTN (external link). Let's say I had a photo stored there called 2007Day001.jpg. I would click on the icon in the posting window that looks like a mountain range with a sun over it. When I do this, I get a popup that would enter 'http://www.thewolford​s.com/POTN/2007Day001.​jpg' into. The result would be:

IMAGE: http://www.thewolfords.com/POTN/2007Day001.jpg

This allows me to decide where I put my picture in my post... Works great. Now, no one should comment on this picture. It was selected to show Jeff how to create an inline image instead of attach a photo.

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Nov 16, 2008 22:38 |  #100

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Brice, I'm very impressed with how sharp this shot is and how none of her is OOF. I did some studio shooting this week and the results were not as fantastic on the action end of things. I think in an effort to reduce noise and get 'crispy' shots, I managed to damage the link in my brain that helps find the correct exposure. Then of course, there was always bad luck. I missed all of her great takes and she missed all of mine. :( It would be great if you had some tips on 'full body focus' because I keep getting blurry limbs and, even worse, faces!

Well, the first time ever one of my gym photos has been described as sharp and DOF was right. Looks like I didn't save with EXIF (apparently save for web in PSCS2 removes exif. Here's the key: flash.

I shoot these with a shutter speed of 1/160 at F/8. The flash freezes the action. The F/8 at about 15 feet with a focal length of approximately 24MM. Don't quote me on the focal length. I'm not connected to my hard drive with all my photos on them. This particular shot was shot against a green screen (poorly, you can see the green reflection on the bottom of her legs) and compostited onto a background that I changed to B/W and introduced a simulated DOF.

In my experience the best option is to use a flash. I set mine to manual and adjusted power until I had the proper exposure for F/8 1/200. (This particular shot employs 3 flash units. Main, fill, and hair light). But you can get acceptable results with a single flash, but the lighting will be flatter. No duh, eh? I'm great at explaining the obvious.

I've learned to get pretty good with my timing as I can snap one of these in 1-2 takes after I watch the gymnast practice the move once. They show me the move. I select the peak of the action and have them repeat it once I'm ready. I've been doing this long enough to know the reaction time of my slow brain sending the push signale to my index finger of my right hand so I know when to take the shot.

jklinksi wrote in post #6685867 (external link)
So, I wondered if Studio Action Shots might be the next topic of exploration on our wonderful thread? I keep thinking that if I can get good shots in poorly lit gyms, it should be no sweat with with adequate/abundant studio lighting...right?!? :confused: Hmmmm... a real stumper.


True to some respect, but you really need to get used to shooting with a flash if you want to capture the best action. Indirect flash works best, in my experience. There's little chance of distracting with the flash in these instances as the athlete is expecting it.

Happy to answer more questions elsewhere. If you want to see the entire gallery, posed and action, you can see it at:

Tampa Bay Turners Gallery (external link)

Here's a sample of an action shot taken with 1 bounced flash. Same parms as the green screen, except 1/200. 1 flash off the white wall behind me. Notice how flat the lighting is? I've got her too close the backdrop. The shots with the leg in the air on the gallery are also action shots. I just had them swing the leg up in the air and I snapped the shot.

I hope this helps in some way. I understand if we need to move this to a new thread. Might be interesting to share poses, group shots, etc for those of us trying to make a buck shooting portraits for gyms...


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Nov 16, 2008 22:44 |  #101

This is spectacular. I want to do this at sunrise in Mexico in January. That is if I can 1) remember to try it and 2) get a gymnast to get up that early. :) Mexico because we're going to be on what can be a spectacular beach (if the weather is right and erosion has been corrected).

Thanks for the idea.

Any distance I've come has been the studio shots. Those are trivial. I can do those all day. I continue to struggle with gym shots and noise reduction. I just can't seem to get the results you and Randy get. I'm getting closer, but still now banana. Perhaps I need a different noise reduction software package... Never giving up!!! :)

And we're working on something similar for our college bound girls, but not creating a BLOG. Here's an example. (external link) It's, essentially, a profile for our college "recruitables." Suggestions are welcome on the format of the pages.

fugfuggy wrote in post #6686216 (external link)
Also,

I wanted to share a work in progress that i am working on for our girls. Have a look and tell me what you think.

http://gsgboosters.com​/blog/index.php/Malibu​/ (external link)

And, one more image that justin wanted me to share. Took my monkey to ventura beach after a competition to try and get some sunset pics. I killed one light stand, one umbrella, and my speedlight fell into the saltwater and is now DEAD! Oh well, I got the shot :P

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Nov 17, 2008 11:12 |  #102

felixapproach wrote in post #6699374 (external link)
Here are two from last week. It was an almost impossible gym to shoot in. We only have one meet left this year and I'm thinking about making a purchase for next year. Does anyone have an opinion on which would be the better option, upgrading to a 40d or buying a 135L. Right now I have an XTi and 85mm 1.8. Thanks.
Jay

I usually opt for glass, but in this case I'd go to the 40D. You'll see nice improvement from the XTi, IMHO.


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Nov 17, 2008 11:53 |  #103

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My question is can I get better AF with a used 1d mark 1? Or am I better off with a new 40D. I guess I can sell the XTi for $300-400 and trade up. The reason I ask is that I seem to get quite a few OOF shots due to low light and a fast daughter. Thank you in advance and I'll keep learning from you guys/gals.

Larry

My normal response is almost always glass first cameras later... However, given your spot, get the 40D.

Forget the MkI. If you can swing it get a used 1DMKII or IIn... As I understand it the only real difference between the II & IIn is the LCD size and some other tweaks....you will want to verify that though.

You can get a used 135 f 2 on this forum for around $800.


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Nov 17, 2008 12:30 |  #104

bwolford wrote in post #6701196 (external link)
Jeff, I keep my files stored on my hosting site in a POTN directory. That location is http://thewolfords.com​/POTN (external link). Let's say I had a photo stored there called 2007Day001.jpg. I would click on the icon in the posting window that looks like a mountain range with a sun over it. When I do this, I get a popup that would enter 'http://www.thewolford​s.com/POTN/2007Day001.​jpg' into. The result would be:

QUOTED IMAGE

This allows me to decide where I put my picture in my post... Works great. Now, no one should comment on this picture. It was selected to show Jeff how to create an inline image instead of attach a photo.

Great I think I got it now..
Thanks a bunch..:D


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Nov 19, 2008 13:51 |  #105

Thanks Jeremy, Brice and Randy. I think it will be the 40d.


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