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Nov 17, 2008 14:51 |  #16

Hermes wrote in post #6705451 (external link)
Do you think they all only own one light?


no, but to say you can't achieve pro quality portraits without the use of a bunch of lighting is just plain stupid. Open an issue of a top fashion magazine and look how many single light set ups you'll see vs multi light set ups.

A more common easily recognizable campaign would be the ad campaign for gap.... all one light.




  
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Nov 17, 2008 14:55 |  #17

evolved wrote in post #6705477 (external link)
no, but to say you can't achieve pro quality portraits without the use of a bunch of lighting is just plain stupid. Open an issue of a top fashion magazine and look how many single light set ups you'll see vs multi light set ups.

A more common easily recognizable campaign would be the ad campaign for gap.... all one light.

Who has said that?

Point me to the post if you would.




  
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Nov 17, 2008 14:57 |  #18

Hermes wrote in post #6705501 (external link)
Who has said that?

Point me to the post if you would.

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #6702755 (external link)
Well, one light won't really cut it for pro photography. You need at least 3-5 plus backgrounds, flags, stands and accessories.

there you go




  
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Nov 17, 2008 14:59 |  #19

well, I'd say that's dependent on what look you are trying to achieve. A good portrait doesn't require 4-5 lights, but define good in universally acceptable terms:rolleyes:


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Nov 17, 2008 15:06 as a reply to  @ hawk911's post |  #20

The number of lights required for a shot is dependent on the look and type of shot. There are brilliant portrait photographers that use one light and that's it and no one is telling them they're wrong or not professional.

Some shots require complex lighting with 4, 5 or 6 lights. If you need it you need it but there are also photographers that just pour light all over a shot haphazardly and have no clue what they're doing.

Product photography will require different setups than a sitting portrait. Group shots require different setups. A set that is 15 feet wide and needs to be lit for pure white, has a main light, a fill source, and 2 edge lights requires 6 lights.

Great lighting is not about the number of lights. It's about the subject, the intent, the product, mood, and a host of other variables.


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Nov 17, 2008 15:10 |  #21

evolved wrote in post #6705521 (external link)
there you go

We're talking about equipping a photography studio to make money and please customers, not what can theoretically be used to create a good portrait. Yes, you can take good portraits with one light, but what about the customers who don't like that look, or who need a different setup to flatter them, or who come in with a specific style they want you to replicate.

What happens when you need to do a group shot and need to use symmetrical lighting. What happens when your strobe goes in for servicing, blows a fuse, needs a bulb replaced, e.t.c.

Go into the studios of any of the 'one-light' fashion photographers you mention and see if they have less than five lights.




  
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Nov 17, 2008 15:10 |  #22

I appreciate everyone's input... I am not looking to start a debate on the merits of two lights versus many. I have a lot to learn, but I have seen work from people using one light that was amazing. A photography that I very much rever from the US has come to Canada and made a great living for himself here. I saw his work at his house and my jaw dropped. Some of his photos are absolutely breathtaking. Then he told me that he took those photos with one light and a reflector. He told me that the key was to get started with what you can afford. When money starts coming in, then I can go out and buy more stuff. That is pretty much my situation right now. I don't have tonnes of money to spend 10 grand on equipment on the hopes that I will get business. I am sure that there are other professional photographers out there in the same boat. I will be the first to admit that I do NOT have the experience to warrant charging huge amounts of money. But I feel no shame in charging for my services as the the customers I have had thus far, have been happy. I have heard good things about the D-lights, so I guess I will look into that. It's 1000 bucks for the d-lite 4 kit, so that sounds pretty tempting. Now I have to try and convince my fiancee :-) Wish me luck!!


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Nov 17, 2008 15:12 |  #23

Hermes wrote in post #6705608 (external link)
We're talking about equipping a photography studio to make money and please customers, not what can theoretically be used to create a good portrait. Yes, you can take good portraits with one light, but what about the customers who don't like that look, or who need a different setup to flatter them, or who come in with a specific style they want you to replicate.

What happens when you need to do a group shot and need to use symmetrical lighting. What happens when your strobe goes in for servicing, blows a fuse, needs a bulb replaced, e.t.c.

Go into the studios of any of the 'one-light' fashion photographers you mention and see if they have less than five lights.

I agree Hermes and apologize for pointing out what can be done as opposed to how to properly equip a professional studio. You are correct, Sir. :D


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Nov 17, 2008 15:14 |  #24

Hermes wrote in post #6705608 (external link)
We're talking about equipping a photography studio to make money and please customers, not what can theoretically be used to create a good portrait. Yes, you can take good portraits with one light, but what about the customers who don't like that look, or who need a different setup to flatter them, or who come in with a specific style they want you to replicate.

What happens when you need to do a group shot and need to use symmetrical lighting. What happens when your strobe goes in for servicing, blows a fuse, needs a bulb replaced, e.t.c.

Go into the studios of any of the 'one-light' fashion photographers you mention and see if they have less than five lights.


point taken... I was misreading his post.




  
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Nov 17, 2008 15:15 |  #25

and now back to your regularly scheduled programming :)


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Nov 17, 2008 15:18 |  #26

Thanks guys for all the help... if I get special requests, I also have no problem renting further equipment down the road... Special requests typically will yield more money anyways, hence offsetting the cost of rentals. Am I wrong in assuming this?


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Nov 17, 2008 15:23 |  #27

it depends on your rental cost, and how many times you rent; doesn't it? At some point, owning is better than renting. Just like a house.


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Nov 17, 2008 15:24 |  #28

True enough!!! :-) Could I hire you (hawk911) to convince my girlfriend about that?


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Nov 17, 2008 15:27 |  #29

sure. I need the 7' octo. Send one of those my way and I'll talk to her all you want :) Make $$ on the other stuff, and then it might be less of an issue, right?


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Nov 17, 2008 15:38 |  #30

You're exactly right Hawk911... I definitely couldn't afford the Nikon D300... but a few jobs during the summer, and it was paid off.


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