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430exII vs. 580ex vs. Metz 48 which should I get

 
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Nov 30, 2008 16:42 |  #1

I'm pretty set on getting an external flash over the holidays, especially with the 30% off on ebay and am a bit stuck on which of these to get. Well, actually I'm leaning more and more towards the 580ex because of features/controls but I'm still undecided. The 580ex II is out of my price range and, with a non sealed camera with non sealed lenses I really don't need a weather sealed flash. The Metz is by far the cheapest of the bunch but I have had a lot of trouble finding any comparisons between it and the other two.

Is there anything the 430exII has over the 580ex? Does the 580's extra weight have a very noticable impact?

How does the Metz stack up to the rest?

Also, I haven't really looked into Sigma flashes, I've heard some negative things about them and decided that they might not be worth considering. Are there any I should look into?

Thanks for the help.


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Nov 30, 2008 17:13 |  #2

I have the 580ex II and 430ex but no experience with the Metz. Not sure what you intend to do with the flash, but I use the 580 most of the time- works great for wildlife on camera for fill, bounce for indoors etc. When I set up the 580 and 430 in umbrellas for portraits etc, the 580 is usually the primary light source and 430 the fill. The 580 shoots through an umbrella nicely for a very nice soft light.

I think the 580 would be your best bet. The extra power is great when shooting in sunlight outdoors, and not sure the II would buy you anything anyway for your needs. The 580's ability to be a master will come in handy when you get your second flash (430?)! I am really happy with the number of uses I have found for the 580 and 430 together.


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Dec 01, 2008 01:30 |  #3

Hehe, ended up getting the 580EX II. I found out I had a coupon for 10% off that expires in 37 minutes and got the OK to buy. The original 580EX I was looking at was selling for $279(before discounts) with free shipping but got scooped up by the time I was willing to buy so I could have payed $202 for a used 580EX I or pay $244 for a new 580EX II. I'd say the $42 was worth it. The real shame in all of this is that the place I bought the flash from happened to be in my state so I had to pay the sales tax, that cost me over $20 but what can you do.


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Dec 01, 2008 12:08 as a reply to  @ lonelyjew's post |  #4

ooh, where did you find it for $244 for a new 580EX ii? I was looking on Ebay and all the prices I am seeing are well over $300


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Dec 01, 2008 13:34 |  #5

use microsoft live search and you'll get 30% back.


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Dec 01, 2008 15:37 |  #6

dur, I just realized now, that I was taking $30 not 30% off. I will recheck the numbers now. Thanks!!!!


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Dec 01, 2008 18:13 |  #7

Yup.. I was considering about the same thing. My decision was for the Canon 430EX II or the 580EX II. For the 430, I can get it for $181 shipped & the 580EX for $256 shipped. I ended up w/ the 580EX. Many people seems to recommend that the extra power is worth it especially if you want to bounce the flash.


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Dec 02, 2008 01:08 |  #8

I bought the 430, and miss the extra power when bouncing for interior shots. However if I up the ISO to 400, which is still good, I can overcome the problem.


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Dec 02, 2008 04:04 |  #9

JoelO wrote in post #6793602 (external link)
Yup.. I was considering about the same thing. My decision was for the Canon 430EX II or the 580EX II. For the 430, I can get it for $181 shipped & the 580EX for $256 shipped. I ended up w/ the 580EX. Many people seems to recommend that the extra power is worth it especially if you want to bounce the flash.

Where can you get these at prices like that.

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Dec 02, 2008 12:11 |  #10

Hi,
i recently bought the 430ex, i lost the user manual whilst moving, its my first time using an extra flash and i dont have a clue what um doing!!!!
i am now just using with automatic settings, im finding the flash really harsh and bleaching out detail
is there a way of manually controlling the flash? the buttons dont make any sense to me. im literally just switching on and going,
anyone help??




  
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Dec 02, 2008 12:21 |  #11

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