The hidden costs of the 5D MKII

HKGuns wrote in post #6807731
I get by without using anything with the adobe name on it just fine. I see no reason at all to pay their ridiculously high prices.

Capture One 4 Pro
Corel X2
Photo-brush

This gets me by just dandy.

LOL at somebody using Capture One who thinks Adobe's products are overpriced!

damn...I wonder how all those amazing pictures I've seen from the days of film were taken before Adobe CS222.3443 and LR 4000 and pixel peeping...Which is a comment everyone here has seen a million times....If your a pro then its a tax deduction if your not it's a toy and just like motorcycles or women they cost money. This camera just seems to be more worthwhile imho..because...I wantit

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #6807767
LOL at somebody using Capture One who thinks Adobe's products are overpriced!

"LOL" at you. Capture One and all of the other software listed is far less than a single copy of CSX. Be sure you know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.

HKGuns wrote in post #6808085
"LOL" at you. Capture One and all of the other software listed is far less than a single copy of CSX. Be sure you know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.

Did I say CS? I'm talking about Lightroom. Much cheaper.

BigBlue,

Thanks for the sanity check... think I'll stick with my trusty 20D, Macbook and CS3 for a while. What was I thinking?

HKGuns wrote in post #6808085
"LOL" at you. Capture One and all of the other software listed is far less than a single copy of CSX. Be sure you know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.

still more expensive than lightroom, which capture one "replaces" without all the nice new features like touchups and some pretty good raw editing.

here's what you need for editing 5d video (aside from a new computer):

DPP - free with purchase
vdubmod - free
x264 - free
besweet and aac decoder/encoder - free
your hd linear editing program of choice if you find vdubmod too hard for your liking -free to 100k, avg of about 500.

i don't see any hidden costs, i just see someone that wants easy to use stuff and third party apps. your own fault there

sebmour wrote in post #6806899
BIGBLUEDODGE:
You are correct about people not considering the extra cost of all this new hardware.
People should always think of doubling the price of the purchase because of the auxiliary gadgets and upgrades that are needed!

one thing to consider is the trend is toward more MP so you can upgrade now or later.

i know i'll need to upgrade computers soon (very soon) and also have to get cable internet to upload my massive files to zenfolio .

ed rader

BigBlueDodge wrote in post #6807520
Highly unlikely. Adobe has already come out and said that the 5D MKII is only supported on CS4. To continue using CS3, will require 5D MKII users to shoot completely in JPG, or convert their raw images to DNG, which can then be processed in CS3.

and you wonder why guys pirate software .

ed rader

Tony-S wrote in post #6807128
Does LR2 handle sRAW files?

Ziffle wrote in post #6807195
Tony,
Yes - very nicely.

And i'm chugging along on a Precision M60 Laptop w/ 1.5gig of Ram.

link to the ACR update for LR2? I thought it wasn't out yet.... (and my 5Dii is "out for delivery")...

jacobsen1 wrote in post #6806916
I have 2 workflows:

old (while I'm learning LR):
Bridge -> ACR -> CS (I'd need CS4 here for the 5Dii)

new:
LR2 -> CS

I'm going to go with LR2, CS3, then use adobe's DNG converter (or DPP? *shudder*) if I really need a file in CS3 and LR2 gets in the way.

My experience is similar, though slightly different, from yours. I upgraded to CS4 and purchased LR2 (I hadn't used LR before). Rather than use your "old" workflow, I forced myself to learn LR and go right to your "new" workflow. As a result, I have yet to open Bridge or ACR in CS4. If I hadn't purchased LR2, I would be gushing about the new editing functions in ACR, but since I can do all of that in LR2, I am beginning to wonder if the CS4 upgrade will ever pay off for me. I still use Photoshop on occasion (sometimes you just need layers, blend modes, etc), but I have yet to use anything in CS4 that CS3 didn't do.

My advice to anyone who will listen is if you have a lot of photos, get LR2. It buries every other system for managing images that I have seen.

As far as the 5DII not being supported in CS4, your comments about the DNG converter is right on the spot. Adobe is promoting DNG like crazy, and if camera makers would wise up, all of these compatibility issues would go away. It is odd that people complain about Adobe in this regard, since it is the camera makers who keep changing the file specs. There must be serious money in incompatible file formats!

jacobsen1 wrote in post #6811134
link to the ACR update for LR2? I thought it wasn't out yet.... (and my 5Dii is "out for delivery")...

I think he was referring to his 50D sRAW files (since I didn't specify 5D2 sRAW). Apparently, Apple's Aperture does not support sRAW from any of Canon's cameras, only RAW.

sherman111 wrote in post #6807125
Phil's point was do you really need CS to support RAW if you have LR2 that can handle the 5Dii RAWs?

And LR2 will convert your RAW files to DNG upon import, so any version of CS can be used with files from any camera supported by LR2 (such as the 5DII).

BigBlueDodge wrote in post #6807520
Highly unlikely. Adobe has already come out and said that the 5D MKII is only supported on CS4. To continue using CS3, will require 5D MKII users to shoot completely in JPG, or convert their raw images to DNG, which can then be processed in CS3.

MinhThien wrote in post #6807531
ah thats so suck! I was gonna get the 5dMk2 now I will wait! or maybe a 5d

Why the resistance to converting to DNG? I don't get it. It is a simple process that can be done with free software, and it assures forward and backward compatibility with Adobe products, as well as any other products that support DNG.

Tony-S and jacobsen1 .....
I was referring to the 50D and LR2 combination.

Somebody who has the 5Dii will have to chime in when appropriate.

Later

Ziffle wrote in post #6811257
Tony-S and jacobsen1 .....
I was referring to the 50D and LR2 combination.

Somebody who has the 5Dii will have to chime in when appropriate.

Later

It looks as though LR 2.1 and ACR 5.1 do not support the 5DII (sorry about my earlier claim), but ACR 5.2 does. An update to LR will certainly be coming to bring it into line with ACR 5.2.

In the meantime (I hate to keep harping on this), 5DII users can use the free DNG Converter 5.2, which supports their camera, if they don't have CS4.