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Dec 12, 2008 02:05 |  #226

There are a lot of frightening occurrences happening out there, as portrayed in the daily media... Expect and be prepared for confrontation...
There are people out there from all walks of life...
Some are single parents, having a tough time managing their lives... and have concerns about their children's safety.

I'd hedge against the potential complaint by the parents, with a basic introduction, and often they'll offer to help participate in the activity/event.

I let the parents know, I'm taking photos... where they'll be posted, offer them a chance to get a copy, if interested... and essentially, when unannounced, I avoid close ups of children's faces...

Most recently, we had a town celebration... lots of activity in front of the local day care center...
Spoke to the school/daycare center owner... and the general consensus is that the pics are taken in public, and are safe to use in an editorial fashion.

In addition, ended up with some great portraits, as requested by interested parents and their children...And lots of general action photos of children participating in fun activities.

One of our community activities, conducted by the local police dept. was to fingerprint the children for a data base... in case of emergency, they could be quickly ID'd.

Thereafter, the events of the day are posted on my smugmug web site for all to see... While the children/parent portraits are discretely offered in another file by way of a password.


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Dec 12, 2008 02:11 |  #227

johnstoy wrote in post #6862755 (external link)
There are a lot of frightening occurrences happening out there, as portrayed in the daily media...

May I respectfully point out that this is a key element of this entire discussion.

There are many things happening "out there" that are portrayed in the daily media in sensationalistic, headline grabbing, ratings mongering, blood soaked and utterly embelished fashion.

It ain't necessarily so...


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Dec 12, 2008 02:12 |  #228

johnstoy wrote in post #6862755 (external link)
One of our community activities, conducted by the local police dept. was to fingerprint the children for a data base... in case of emergency, they could be quickly ID'd.

Off topic but that's just a ruse to get fingerprints of as many people as possible in the criminal database.


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Dec 12, 2008 02:17 |  #229

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Off topic but that's just a ruse to get fingerprints of as many people as possible in the criminal database.

I dunno about that...

I can remember this being done on a voluntary basis in Detroit area schools as far back as the 1970s.

Well before 9/11 and any "Patriot Act," "Everyone's a Suspect" hysteria.

I think it truly was meant to be the analog equivalent to what we might now call an "Amber Alert." A "fast" way to get an ID in case of kidnapping or worse.


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Dec 12, 2008 02:24 |  #230

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #6862779 (external link)
I dunno about that...

I can remember this being done on a voluntary basis in Detroit area schools as far back as the 1970s.

Well before 9/11 and any "Patriot Act," "Everyone's a Suspect" hysteria.

I think it truly was meant to be the analog equivalent to what we might now call an "Amber Alert." A "fast" way to get an ID in case of kidnapping or worse.

They've been doing it forever. But it's for the criminal database.

You wouldn't get much voluntary participation if the clown was holding a sign that read, "Get your children fingerprinted here, so we'll know which crimes they commit in the future!"


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Dec 12, 2008 02:26 |  #231

cdifoto wrote in post #6862771 (external link)
Off topic but that's just a ruse to get fingerprints of as many people as possible in the criminal database.

That is part of the inevitable and eternal tug-of-war between privacy and freedom on one side and security on the other. The tricky part is finding the best compromise.


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Dec 12, 2008 02:27 |  #232

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That is part of the inevitable and eternal tug-of-war between privacy and freedom on one side and security on the other. The tricky part is finding the best compromise.

Personally, it didn't bother me to get printed. I had to get printed for the military too.

It just pissed me off that they found me so fast... :mad:


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Dec 12, 2008 02:29 |  #233

cdifoto wrote in post #6862798 (external link)
They've been doing it forever. But it's for the criminal database.

You wouldn't get much voluntary participation if the clown was holding a sign that read, "Get your children fingerprinted here, so we'll know which crimes they commit in the future!"

That may be so but I don't recall the "system" being as suspect of the population at large as it seems to be today. I also happen to come from a family that had a Cop or two in it and while I know they weren't perfect (because they're human), at their core, they honestly did have a sense of duty to community.

Of course, I was just a kid so they were probably lying through their teeth...

<Shrug>


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Dec 12, 2008 02:34 |  #234

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #6862812 (external link)
That may be so but I don't recall the "system" being as suspect of the population at large as it seems to be today. I also happen to come from a family that had a Cop or two in it and while I know they weren't perfect (because they're human), at their core, they honestly did have a sense of duty to community.

Of course, I was just a kid so they were probably lying through their teeth...

<Shrug>

You must have fogotten about the "mcarthy" era :-)

Generally much of the "suspicion" isn't at the local law enforcement level.

Most city/county cops have plenty on their hands than to worry about finding a "communist" or "terrorist" (these days) behind every door.


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Dec 12, 2008 02:34 |  #235

In watching the coverage of the Anthony case in FL, I was comforted to know that not a single other child in her age group was reported missing in Florida in *at least* the last 6 months (they didn't comment on time prior to that. The media would have you believe that it's daily occurrence. When the time comes for this case to be closed, I can also be reasonably certain it won't be a stranger who goes to jail.




  
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Dec 12, 2008 02:37 |  #236

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In watching the coverage of the Anthony case in FL, I was comforted to know that not a single other child in her age group was reported missing in *at least* the last 6 months (they didn't comment on time prior to that. The media would have you believe that it's daily occurrence. When the time comes for this case to be closed, I can also be reasonably certain it won't be a stranger who goes to jail.

Sadly you are probably right... most "statistics" say, or so we were taught (back in 95) for this type of crime (among certain others), that one finds that it is usually a family member or someone known by the family.


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Dec 12, 2008 02:37 |  #237

AndreaBFS wrote in post #6862833 (external link)
In watching the coverage of the Anthony case in FL, I was comforted to know that not a single other child in her age group was reported missing in Florida in *at least* the last 6 months (they didn't comment on time prior to that. The media would have you believe that it's daily occurrence. When the time comes for this case to be closed, I can also be reasonably certain it won't be a stranger who goes to jail.

Yeah and if you notice, in the Anthony case it's the mother on trial.


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Dec 12, 2008 03:00 |  #238

thebishopp wrote in post #6862832 (external link)
You must have fogotten about the "mcarthy" era :-)

Generally much of the "suspicion" isn't at the local law enforcement level.

Most city/county cops have plenty on their hands than to worry about finding a "communist" or "terrorist" (these days) behind every door.

What frosts me is the unwillingness of any level of law enforcement to admit that they could have allies with valuable skills right in their own back yards.

Speaking as a photographer and a pilot, I'm more than willing to work with the authorities to help observe and secure airports. I'd be the first to squawk if something appears out of the ordinary around hangars or aircraft parking areas and with a long lens, I can see a lot.

Instead, all we get (at least sometimes) is a hassle for wanting to be near an airport with a camera.

Hey Government Robots: Wake up and recognize that there are people who know a thing or three about how to keep an eye on the very thing you're trying to secure without burying everything in stuipd rules and regulations.


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Dec 12, 2008 03:01 |  #239

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Yeah and if you notice, in the Anthony case it's the mother on trial.

She's been suspected from day one hasn't she?


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Dec 12, 2008 03:09 |  #240

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She's been suspected from day one hasn't she?

If you consider Day 1 to be the day they started suspecting her, then yes.
If you consider Day 1 to be the day her mom called the authorities, then no.


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