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Need help picking a DSLR for bird photography

 
urbanmate_wv
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Dec 21, 2008 16:12 |  #1

Okay, I'm sure you're tired of seeing these posts, but I'm really unsure about what camera to get. So here we go...

I've been extremely happy with an S2 IS for two years of nature/bird photography. It's pretty worn out so I got a SX10 IS. To make a long story short I returned it because the quality was the same (dare I say worse?) as my old S2. A dslr seems like the only way to go now and I've been considering the rebel line. It will be my 1st dslr so I don't want something extravagant. Can anyone give a recommendation?

This is what I'm looking for:
*Live view
*Good for birds/nature
*RAW & JPEG shooting
*No more than $500-600 for the body
*Good "auto" function to start out on
*VERY good for hand-held (This is what I'll use)
*Works well with high zoom lenses
*User-friendly and a nice entry level (or better)

I've been looking into the rebel XS and XSi especially. I'm not really exclusive to Canon but I realize that this is a Canon forum.

I'd really love to see some examples of rebel bird photography if you have a gallery. I'm interested in learning about the lenses too.

Thank you so much for reading. Any comments or advice are welcome. This is a big decision for me and your thoughts will really help me out.

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Dec 21, 2008 16:19 |  #2

I have the XSi and do some bird/wildlife shooting. There are some of my images posted here, or probably easier to see on my Flickr page. I am very happy with the XSi. I mainly use the EF 100-400mm L lens for this type of shooting (I'd love to be able to afford a 500mm or 600mm lens, but that will ahve to wait a long while.) I also know several other bird photographers that are very happy with their XTi's. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the Rebel line for this type of photography.

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Dec 21, 2008 16:25 as a reply to  @ Ken_from_MD's post |  #3

The XSi would be a great camera for birding. Just be prepared to spend some money on the lenses. The 100-400L is a great option if you can afford it. If you're not prepared to spend that much the 70-300IS and 55-250IS would get you started. The 400 f/5.6 is another good option.

Oh, and be careful when shopping around for camera equipment on the web. Always buy from reputable dealers and check resellerratings if you're not sure.


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Dec 21, 2008 16:31 as a reply to  @ bacchanal's post |  #4

I am assuming that you are willing to spend $500-$600 on the body, then another $100-$200 on the lens. If so, you may want to consider a Canon 40D. Right now at Adorama, you can get a Canon refurbished 40D w/28-135 lens for $799. If you go this route, you will have a top of the line prosumer camera within your price range.

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Dec 21, 2008 16:36 |  #5

jeremy_c wrote in post #6921869 (external link)
I am assuming that you are willing to spend $500-$600 on the body, then another $100-$200 on the lens. If so, you may want to consider a Canon 40D. Right now at Adorama, you can get a Canon refurbished 40D w/28-135 lens for $799. If you go this route, you will have a top of the line prosumer camera within our price range.

Jeremy

That's not a bad deal on the 40D/28-135, but 135mm is going to a bit short for birding. If budget is a major issue, I'd at least try to get a 55-250IS or something around the 300mm range.

There are other options on the body too. A used Xti or 20D or 30D would free up some budget room for lenses without sacrificing image quality (but you lose some of the new features like liveview).


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Dec 21, 2008 16:39 |  #6

if i was in your position, id get a 40D body only and then buy a 70-300 IS. IMO, this is the best combo for what your looking for thats somewhere near your budget. the 1.6x crop factor and good AF of the 40d with the superb optics and range of the 70-300 will make daytime birding a breeze. i am a firm believer in the theory that the 70-300 is a hidden L-lens. maybe im dreaming but that ULD element works wonders.


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Dec 21, 2008 16:50 |  #7

Another vote for the 40D body-only with a longer lens(es) that fit within your budget.

I shoot with an XSi, and although I don't *think* the AF isn't too troublesome (still figuring out dSLRs myself, having come from a S3 IS), I think that I would prefer the 40D's AF system.


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Dec 21, 2008 16:57 |  #8

Start with the XSi. Especially since you're coming from an S2, the XSi is already a big step up. If you have money left over, put it toward one of the lenses mentioned earlier. After a while, if you find the XSi limiting you, you can always upgrade later. By then, the 60/70/80D might be out.




  
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Dec 21, 2008 17:17 |  #9

if you want to take birds in flight then get the 40D for sure

either way I would get the 40D

either way the camera is not going to be the expensive part the lens will be ;)


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Dec 21, 2008 17:18 |  #10

I'd get the XSi or the 40d. They almost match your standards perfectly :)


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Dec 21, 2008 17:38 |  #11

There is one huge piece of info missing in your post - what are you willing to spend on the lens??? For birding that is way more important than the body. Unless you are willing to pay for a 400mm (minimum) lens, your birding experience will be very frustrating. Sorry to be so harsh, but with birding one has never enough reach and reach means long lenses and those are very expensive.




  
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Dec 21, 2008 17:46 |  #12

Thanks so much for the fast (and helpful) responses. So much better than the people at Best Buy haha.

Ken- Thanks for the link! It's nice to have some examples to go by.

bacchanal- Thanks for the warning and the imput. I was looking at the 55-250IS already. I could get the XSi + the 55-250IS for $900 at Best Buy this week. Is that a good deal?

Jeremy- To be honest I have not even considered a 40D. I thought it was way more than what I had to spend but now I know otherwise.

kauffman, agc1019, & tripsis- Thanks for the help :]

tigerotor- What don't you like about the XSi AF?

Looks like the consensus is XSi or 40D. Hmm I do think a 40D is a really big step that I could take later when I'm comfortable with a dslr.

If anyone has anything to add I'd love to hear it.


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Dec 21, 2008 18:05 |  #13

The 55-250 IS is the minimum lens I would go with. I tried birding with a 70-200L, and it just wasn't long enough for me.

XSi would be an alright starter, although I am a bit biased towards the xxD lineup. But you're much better off sticking with a cheaper XSi and spending money on lenses than you are getting a 40D and not being able to afford lenses for it. However, if you can afford a 40D and still have money to spend on a couple of lenses, I would highly recommend it.

I would also avoid Best Buy if possible. Good online retailers include B&H Photo Video (external link), Amazon (external link), and Adorama (external link).


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Dec 21, 2008 18:17 |  #14

The only thing I'd add is that if you think you will upgrade to a 40D save a little longer and get it, you won't regret it. Also, if you are serious about birding you will probably need lenses in the 400mm range.


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Ken_from_MD
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Dec 21, 2008 18:24 as a reply to  @ blackshadow's post |  #15

For what it is worth, I have the EF-S 55-250mm IS lens as well, I bought it with the XSi. Though it is a nice lens and takes good pictures for the money, I quickly found that it did not have the reach necessary to get the pictures I wanted. But your budget will determine which way you go at this point.
55-250mm ~ $250
400mm f/5.6 ~$1000
100-400mm ~ $1400


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