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Canon 500mm, 600mm and 800mm owners and potential buyers please respond.

 
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Jan 26, 2009 18:27 |  #16
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you will need tripod for either 500 and 600. Unless you're super fit that you can carry 500 and handhold it ALL DAY LONG then go for it. I would recommend 600 over 500. The longer = the better.

800? sweet lens if you have money. Don't think about TC when you're up to this range. It is NOT THE SAME when you add TC.


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Jan 26, 2009 19:53 as a reply to  @ Bubble's post |  #17

Go for the 500mm reasons given already should be enough to pull the trigger on it. But consider based on your gear list you can by using your 1D run it up to a 1000mm @ f/8 with a 2x and still have AF, or use it on the 40D with the 1.4x and have 700mm f/5.6. In both cases image quality can be surprisingly good, and even stack them up for even more pleasant surprises.

This was 1400mm, handheld supported on a window frame just playing around. Exif is embedded but it is 1/160th, ISO 400, reports as f/8 but was really f/11 because the other extender is not recognized. Was manually focused to close than let the AF handle the fine adjust. Not a perfectly detailed image but for the ss it ain't bad.

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But remember that you will need to budget at least another $1k for a good gimbal and tripod, and a monpod for those days a big tripod is just too awkward. It really pays off in making a shot.

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Jan 26, 2009 20:23 |  #18

if you can carry the 800 and afford it, then just buy it. it is shorter than the 600 and weighs less.



  
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Jan 26, 2009 20:31 |  #19

But the beauty of the new EF 800 is that it can be handheld. It is not much longer or heavier than the 500. The 600 is a tripod only lens.


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Jan 26, 2009 20:35 |  #20

gasrocks wrote in post #7194314 (external link)
But the beauty of the new EF 800 is that it can be handheld. It is not much longer or heavier than the 500. The 600 is a tripod only lens.


heh, it's a tendonitis lens.



  
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Jan 26, 2009 21:22 as a reply to  @ Mobius's post |  #21

Has anyone tried the 800mm and used it much for hand-holding? Also, do you reckon that being limited to f/5.6 and above would be a problem - do you guys use f/4 much?

Do all 3 lenses focus fast?

For small birds, sounds like the 500 is a bit short? And with the 600 + beefy tripod you'd sound like a heard of elephants crashing through the bush and never get close anyway...


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Jan 26, 2009 21:32 |  #22

I know I have seen where some have shot the 500 totally handheld, but it IS A BEAST. A long way from a little 100-400, so before you assume you can stabilze this without a tripod, you may want to rent one and play a little. That said, it is fast to lock focus and works really nice with my 1.6x crop of the 30D. Plus you can still autofocus with a 1.4 TCon on it.


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yabbie wrote in post #7194700 (external link)
Has anyone tried the 800mm and used it much for hand-holding? Also, do you reckon that being limited to f/5.6 and above would be a problem - do you guys use f/4 much?

Do all 3 lenses focus fast?

For small birds, sounds like the 500 is a bit short? And with the 600 + beefy tripod you'd sound like a heard of elephants crashing through the bush and never get close anyway...


All these 3 lenses are extremely fast to focus. My keeper ratio increased a bit just from shooting with the 500L versus 400L 5.6 + converter. The resolving problem on these lens are so great that you don't lose much details up to 40% crop. Assuming you have nailed the focus with good exposure to the right. Personally, I don't see how I was able to convince myself to spend close to $6000 for the 500L. I did it and not sure how. :) Now, if you think spending close to $10,000 for the 800L is "justifiable," by all means do it....:)


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Jan 26, 2009 22:06 as a reply to  @ TooManyShots's post |  #24

I figured that I wasn't going to be hand holding the 500 too much so I went for the 600 and backed it up with a 300/2.8 for the days when something less cumbersome was in order.

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Jan 27, 2009 00:58 as a reply to  @ Canon Bob's post |  #25

The 800 handles surprisingly well. It's much like an overgrown 500/4 with a bit more heft to it. Once when you get to the 600, it's heavier by a bit.

IMO, the 800 is overpriced at nearly 12 grand when it was introduced. When I'm dealing with focal lengths that long, I actually prefer to take a longer optic in the field. 850mm and a 1040mm, but they're dedicated telescopes.

If I had to pick one, I'd go for the 500/4, but make sure you get a good batch. I've run into some that were DOGS and some that were outstanding.

And it all depends on how far you have to hike. 10 pounds of gear doesn't sound like much until you have it for hours and hours on end. The telescope setup that I have weighs in at a no so featherweight 17 pounds for the optical assembly only, but to me it's worth it in optical quality. If I HAVE to travel "lightweight", it's the 500mm. And when the lighting gets dim, I'll reach for the 500 due to the IS and the AF. But, when the target is close by and I don't have to hike, (and it's bright outside), I'll reach for the t-scope. All depends on the situation.




  
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Jan 27, 2009 03:43 |  #26

As soon as I see the word hiking I think of the 400/5.6 myself.


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Jan 27, 2009 04:43 |  #27

KenjiS wrote in post #7193056 (external link)
What camera will you be using it on?

For me personally, the 500 plus converter would be the most practical choice...but thats just me and how i feel personally..

I wouldnt buy the 800 to be honest, I think its a tidge too long, and while the quality is worth it, i think the VERY narrow field of view would make composition and subject tracking very difficult in many situations...and for me personally i think its just a bit too long [I could be wrong on this, i've never shot an 800..]

600 would be runner up after the 500, not handholdable..i imagine a sturdy monopod would be acceptable, but youd probubly want a tripod 90% of the time...whereas the 500 would probubly be good on a good monopod...I'd think [Its about 2-3lbs heavier..] and the extra 100mm might be apreciated if you're shooting full frame

Not that I've used an 800, but this does put me off. It's hard enough tracking with the 500 + 1.4 sometimes, so I can't imagine what an 800 + tc would be like!

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The 800 is insanely expensive....Got money, go for it. However, not sure how much IS can help in stabilizing that lens. Maybe a monopod isn't even enough for it. This is the way I see. If you only have the budget for a 600, get the 500mm and invested in a full gimbal head and sturdy tripod ($800). I won't call the 500L hand holdable. For a brief 10sec. Don't expect to hike with it. Monopod is the least support you should bring it with you. The AF does slow down a bit when a converter is added onto the 500L. Not as lighting fast without one. The IS on the 500 should allow you to shoot at 320s shutter speed at least on a monopod. On a full gimbal head and tripod support I believe you can even go lower. The 500L is "light enough" and portable enough to hike around in the trail, just makes sure you bring your monopod.

I believe the 600 is strictly tripod only due its weight and size.

I disagree. If your only lens is the 500 + one body, the 500 can definitely be used for hiking, so long as you have a good sturdy monopod (double as a walking stick) and a comfortable backpack to carry it in

Anyway, my advice - get the 500 first (or consider the Sigma 300-800.. no IS, but Optically similar to the 500 at the same price.. plus you get 800mm).

Down the line, look at the 800. The 600 is the last one to consider in this group. It's the least versatile.


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Jan 27, 2009 07:33 as a reply to  @ AdamJL's post |  #28

Thanks all. Great responses. Seems I'm going to have to do some more thinking and perhaps rent a lens or two.

Thanks again. Lots of good stuff here to think about.

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Jan 27, 2009 09:02 |  #29

I'm thinking of getting the 500L as I almost always have one of the converters on my 300 2.8L. If I want the 500 sooner rather than later, I'll have to sell my 300 which I like a lot.
Also my tripod is maxed out with the 300, so there's another grand.


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Jan 27, 2009 09:09 |  #30

Tapeman wrote in post #7197313 (external link)
I'm thinking of getting the 500L as I almost always have one of the converters on my 300 2.8L. If I want the 500 sooner rather than later, I'll have to sell my 300 which I like a lot.
Also my tripod is maxed out with the 300, so there's another grand.

I'm not sure I'd sell the 300 for anything. It's too good. Optically superior to the 500 without a doubt.
With the 200/2, the best lens Canon has ever made.

Good luck with your decision, but I hope you just sit and wait until you can afford the 500 before selling the 300.
Too many people have gone down the same path and regretted it.


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