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Canon 500mm, 600mm and 800mm owners and potential buyers please respond.

 
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Jan 28, 2009 16:33 |  #61

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But, as I've mentioned before, at 800mm focal length or above, I generally use astronomical refractor telescopes. Quite a bit of difference in optical quality, and they're less expensive since they don't have an AF motor or aperture control.

So what telescope do you use at times, for very long focal length? I am looking into one as an alternative to spending a lot of money on something I may not use all that often (as a hobbyist). Thanks.


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Jan 28, 2009 18:36 as a reply to  @ bbbig's post |  #62

I use a few of them. Takahashi FSQ106N with the dedicated 1.6x extender. Two of the elements are crystalline fluorite. The other two are the mating glasses. Extender is 5 element. Superb, and I mean SUPERB contrast and color correction, beating out all of the Canon glass that I use or have access to - that includes the 300 2.8L EF IS, 400 2.8L EF IS, 500 4L EF IS, 600 4 EF IS, 800 5.6L EF IS - and I'm a HUGE Canon fan.

http://www.astromart.c​om …rticle.asp?arti​cle_id=361 (external link)

But they don't make that one anymore. Seems as if they're trying to get rid of the lead in the glass that they use so they've revamped it to the newer version listed below.

http://images.google.c​om …um%3D1%26hl%3De​n%26sa%3DN (external link)


My other scopes that I use are from Astro Physics. Contrast is a TOUCH lower than the Takahashi offerings. ED Glass. But the color correction and precision of the optics are superb.

http://images.google.c​om …um%3D1%26hl%3De​n%26sa%3DN (external link)

The Takahashi FSQ106N with the extender is 850mm at f/8. Or without the extender it would be 530mm at f/5. Manual focus only. Astro Physics, they have two types in the 5 inch class (front diameter). There's the f/6 version which is 780mm at f/6 and there is the f/8 version which is 1040mm at f/8. The f/6 version is very popular due to the size and weight. 14 pounds, but they have to be on a tripod obviously. Once when you get used to the focusing (rack and pinion), the images that come from these optics will put the 12 grand 800 f/5.6L EF IS to SHAME. That's if you don't rely on the AF or the IS of the 12 grand Canon lens.

Expect to pay about 3 grand for a used Takahashi. And about 6500 for a used Astro Physics. Still far cheaper than the 800 5.6 lens and the optical quality is incredible. You can find them on astromart.com every once in a while. The extra 5500 that you save can go to a 1ds3 body! Or maybe a nice Gitzo Carbon fiber tripod with a Wimberly head...!

You might also want to check out the magazine Nature Photographer, winter issue. I have a published article in there dealing with these optics for nature photography/terrestria​l usage. You can find these at a Borders or Barnes and Noble bookstore, or other large bookstores. Worth a read.




  
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Jan 28, 2009 20:03 as a reply to  @ post 7193424 |  #63

I have owned the 500mm, 600mm qnd 800mm. The
600 and 800 were to big and heavy and not really a
hand held lens I always had to put them on a monopod.
The 500 is perfect for me, you can hand hold the lens
with no trouble and it is dead sharp. I sold the 600 and
800 and I am very happy with the 500.




  
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Jan 28, 2009 20:40 |  #64

Another vote for the 500 as the most versatile of the bunch. However, I'd love to have the 800 as a complement to it!


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Jan 29, 2009 19:39 |  #65

add another vote for the 500.


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Mar 08, 2009 01:02 |  #66

If you want length the 800L IS is the lens to buy. The 600's too big & heavy (half cm and by almost a 2lbs) and with a 1.4x extender it'll suffer slower AF and (noticeably?) lower image quality.

I may get a lot of flack for this but the 600's old and probably receive a mark II update by December.


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Mar 08, 2009 05:19 |  #67

Is money is plenty...800L...and get a custom bag made with padded straps...so you can carry on your back with camera attached....about 13lbs.


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Mar 08, 2009 09:43 |  #68

Plus one for the 500. The best all around super tele.


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Mar 08, 2009 11:51 as a reply to  @ post 7193424 |  #69
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I'd rather the 400 2.8
It becomes an 800 5.6 for half the cost with a 2x TC and its basically the same quality afterwards.
Handheld, fast and sharp as hell.

Though if I had to choose between the 500 f4, 600 f4 and the 800 5.6 it'd be the 500 f4. My friend is buying one in a couple of month, im buying the 400 2.8. He thinks im crazy...but imagine the bokeh ;)


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Mar 08, 2009 13:29 |  #70

500 4 then if you need more reach years down the road, get the 800, but don't sell the 500 to get it!:-)


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Mar 08, 2009 15:03 |  #71

Guess I never heard some say "...400/2.8 + 2X TC...basically same qulaity...handheld..." all in one thought.


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gasrocks wrote in post #7480853 (external link)
Guess I never heard some say "...400/2.8 + 2X TC...basically same qulaity...handheld..." all in one thought.

I guess you didn't read my post then ! :rolleyes: the way I wrote I meant to refer the 400 2.8 was the same quality as the 400 2.8 after the 2x TC. Not completely, but basically.

Not comparing the 400 2.8 + 2x to the 800 5.6

And my mistake, I mixed up the DO version and the L as terms of being the one to best handhold.

I think i'd rather the 400 f4


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Mar 08, 2009 16:14 |  #73

dolina wrote in post #7478209 (external link)
If you want length the 800L IS is the lens to buy. The 600's too big & heavy (half cm and by almost a 2lbs) and with a 1.4x extender it'll suffer slower AF and (noticeably?) lower image quality.

I may get a lot of flack for this but the 600's old and probably receive a mark II update by December.

IQ suffers with 2x, but little with 1.4x. Same goes for most superteles with 2x, but if carring a fast and reach is your needs. The 400f/2.8 IS will do with 1.4x and 2x extenders.


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Mar 08, 2009 21:40 |  #74

For me, the 500 was a much more flexible option. Add a 1.4x, and bingo!, a 700mm lens which I have found to be an awesome combo. The 500 is lighter than the 600, therefore more portable and handy (if a supertele can be considered handy :rolleyes:). The 500 works perfectly with a ballhead and Sidekick. The 600 might push you to a full dedicated Wimberley/tripod combo. I wanted to keep it simple with one support system for my full kit.


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Kajuah wrote in post #7479829 (external link)
I'd rather the 400 2.8
It becomes an 800 5.6 for half the cost with a 2x TC and its basically the same quality afterwards.
Handheld, fast and sharp as hell.

Though if I had to choose between the 500 f4, 600 f4 and the 800 5.6 it'd be the 500 f4. My friend is buying one in a couple of month, im buying the 400 2.8. He thinks im crazy...but imagine the bokeh ;)

What bokeh??? Your bokeh tends to get worst once you put a converter on it. I don't think 400 X 1.4 converter isn't much of a reach comparing 500 with a converter. Adding a 2x converter you don't necessary always get good looking shots under your less than good condition.


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