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Can photogs prevent other guests from shooting with DSLRS at a wedding?

 
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Mar 02, 2009 09:38 |  #46

Well spoken ;). Have you ever tried grinding your own beans? It's far cheaper and much more satisfying that way.

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Mar 02, 2009 11:57 |  #47
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I think that this comment illustrates the same sort of thinking as suggested by the OP. His was 'my camera is better, therefore i am better', whereas yours seems to be 'my balance balance is bigger, therefore i am better'.

(By the way, the correct expression is 'I couldn't care less';)

:lol: For the record ...you read that completely wrong...but there's no point in continuing this discussion, unsubscribing.


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Mar 03, 2009 10:05 |  #48

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Yup. but I never understand why people have family/friends that are pros/advance hobbyists/anyone that is a good with a camera and has equipment but hires someone else. It would hurt my feelings...kind of.

To answer the "why hire a photographer when you have friends' with cameras" comment...It is the Bride and Groom's day - not their "photographer friend's" day so it would be ridiculous for them to be concerned about their photog friend's feelings... - Plus, anyone who has ever worked for a friend or had one work for them knows not to mix business with friendship, right? Not always the easiest deal! What if there is a major mishap? Images get lost? etc...much harder to deal with this with friends than with a business you scouted out and hired...
and yes....having their friend as a guest to enjoy the day is another point (already made)as well....
I have found that the only time photographer's treat you as competition is if you act like competition...Photogs TEND to be pretty open and willing to help out....Probably some dialog earlier in the day may have prevented the peeved feelings on both sides...
Hope all involved ended up with good shots - especially for the B&G!


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Mar 03, 2009 11:17 as a reply to  @ klbowden's post |  #49

_aravena wrote in post #7432883 (external link)
Yup. but I never understand why people have family/friends that are pros/advance hobbyists/anyone that is a good with a camera and has equipment but hires someone else. It would hurt my feelings...kind of.

I too think the opposite of this. When I hear of a friend having a wedding to which I am invited, I am always SO RELIEVED when I find out they've hired someone else. It's like music to my ears. I love wedding shooting but I love celebrating a big day with my friends and family even more.

As for the original question, there is no way to prevent others from shooting. Just let it all slide. I can't count how many times an uncle bob has jumped into the aisle between me and the bride. There are usually 50 cameras behind my back when shooting family formals. There have been people up and walking around during the ceremony as if they're the hired pro. In fact, they were ten times more obtrusive than I ever am. What can you do? Start an argument? It'll only make things worse. I actually play nice with other shooters. I let them borrow lenses and flashes to help them out. If you help them out then they're 4 billion times more likely to respect you and the job you're doing.

Every darn job has it's share of difficulties and roadblocks, whether it's photography, auto repair, music teacher, or even toilet cleaning. Just get the job done, keep clients and guests happy, deliver some ass-kicking photos every time, and don't sweat the small stuff.

CRAP ALWAYS HAPPENS. IDIOTS are in abundance and rampant. The ONLY thing we can control is how we choose react to it.


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Mar 03, 2009 18:15 |  #50

I'm going to steal this phrase and pretend it's my own - sums up quite a lot in life. You turn a nice phrase Lloyd :D.

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......CRAP ALWAYS HAPPENS. IDIOTS are in abundance and rampant. The ONLY thing we can control is how we choose react to it.


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Mar 03, 2009 19:15 |  #51

Lloyd's take is nearly exactly the same as mine. Deal with things you can't change :D


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Mar 03, 2009 19:27 |  #52

Do you have any wedding shots posted up on your flickr?


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Mar 04, 2009 00:23 |  #53

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Wow, there's some arrogance on this thread. Put yourself in the place of someone going to the wedding of their daughter, brother, cousin, or friend. What would you do if a photographer told you not to use your camera all day? I'd tell him where he could put his camera.

I think any "pro" insisting that they are the sole photographer is a relic and needs to get with the times. The only reason to do this is to keep up your print sales, which are definitely going down year on year, so you need to adjust your business model. If your concern is just to get good photos for your paying customer then you can impose much less strict conditions, but honestly a polite explanation to anyone causing a problem is all i've ever needed to do. I've never had a problem.

My contract says I can restrict anyone from shooting if they're interfering, but doesn't give an "or else" condition, and it's probably unenforceable. Like I said it's never happened.

My thoughts exactly.


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Mar 04, 2009 00:32 |  #54

To answer the question from the OP, no, I don't think they can. It is not their day. The paid pro is there at the request of the B&G, not the other way around. Unfortunately, some paid pros feel threatened by the presence of people whom they think are going to steal "their" shots. Arrogant prima donnas.

Anyway, I feel it is futile to try and enforce something that isn't your place to enforce.


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Mar 04, 2009 01:30 |  #55

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To answer the question from the OP, no, I don't think they can.

You cant say this as fact, it depends entirely on the contents of the contract (if one exists). If there is a restriction that the bride & groom have signed the photographer may choose to enforce it and would legally be within rights to do so.

Exactly how you would enforce it i'm not so sure! You could just walk away....and then never be hired by anyone ever again because "oh, you're that guy that walked out during the wedding ceremony"!!!


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Mar 04, 2009 01:37 |  #56

Anywho, I was rolling with a canon 5d, 16-25 2.8 L, 580 ex ii, and a gary fong diffuser

ya.... ya know, your just shooting with my dream setup. no big deal. anywho!


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Mar 04, 2009 01:57 |  #57

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You cant say this as fact, it depends entirely on the contents of the contract (if one exists). If there is a restriction that the bride & groom have signed the photographer may choose to enforce it and would legally be within rights to do so.

Exactly how you would enforce it i'm not so sure! You could just walk away....and then never be hired by anyone ever again because "oh, you're that guy that walked out during the wedding ceremony"!!!

So, I guess I am still waiting to see how it is enforceable. Please explain how a contract between the B&G and paid pro legally prevents guests from using their cameras. Is your portable attorney going to jump out of your camera bag and slap them with a lawsuit? Are wedding guests going to be sued because they didn't stop taking pictures when the pro ordered them to? The only way you would have any legal ground to stand on is if every guest signed a contract as well.


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Mar 04, 2009 02:01 |  #58

It would be the BnG's responsibility to set the uncle bob's straight - if the photographer enforced the contract. That's how it would work. If they signed a contract saying they would do this, they don't, and the contract says the photographer can leave if not cooperated with? Then he/she could leave.

Not sure it would be worth it in the end, however.


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Mar 04, 2009 02:02 |  #59

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So, I guess I am still waiting to see how it is enforceable. Please explain how a contract between the B&G and paid pro legally prevents guests from using their cameras. Is your portable attorney going to jump out of your camera bag and slap them with a lawsuit? Are wedding guests going to be sued because they didn't stop taking pictures when the pro ordered them to? The only way you would have any legal ground to stand on is if every guest signed a contract as well.

I guess the way it gets enforced is by me saying to the B&G "please ask Bob to stop taking photos". If they say "why" I tell them the practical reasons eg getting in the shot, and explain that it's in the contract. Then they would likely then ask you to stop taking photos.

No need for an attorney. It's not about suing anyone - simply avoiding disruption to the service you provide.


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Mar 04, 2009 02:14 |  #60

Well if the contract stated specifically that the photog has the right to pack up and make for the door if someone gets in their way, then fine. I would find it hard to believe that many pros would make it that long with that kind of attitude though.

I believe that the OP's question was more along the lines of a general ban on people with slrs versus people that are getting in the way. If the paid pro starts shaking the contract in front of the B&G every time someone with a big lens stands up they obviously are in the wrong line of work.


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