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Mar 30, 2009 10:29 |  #16

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most people will agree and many will disagree with me but the 50d was not a great upgrade from the 40d. simple as that. and since most of the forum has 40ds... they (and myself) are justifying the purchase of their 40d i guess. Honestly I dont see the 50d as a bad camera, just not a worthwhile upgrade from the 40d.

And the 40D wasn't a big upgrade over the 30D, and the 30D was not a big upgrade over the 20D, etc.

The story is the same year after year. The standing rule for the past 3 years from what I have seen is that only sensible thing for most folks is to skip every other release. There is no real definition of what the ideal upgrade of one body over the prior is, everyone has their own subjective opinion.

Bottom line, buy what you want, need and/or can afford, and own that decision. If you don't like it after the fact, in most cases it is nobody else's fault, but your own for having purchased it (unless you want to discuss the AF issues on the MKIII when it first came out).

If you are happy with what you have, then keep it and use it.

There are only 2 decisions really, and neither of these will likely have anything to do with Canon.


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Mar 30, 2009 11:26 |  #17

I upgraded from a 30D, which I really loved. My 50D is a better camera in everyway. I don't regret the upgrade at all. I rarely use the very high iso's that seem to produce the most noise. I really like the micro adjustment and being able to crop a bit more because of the high megapixels. I usually upgrade every other model, so my next one will probably be a 70D....unless I can justify and save enough for a 5DII.


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Mar 30, 2009 11:32 |  #18

I just bought 50D as a backup camera, and it's amazing.
I've used 20D, 40D, and 5D...and now have 1DsMkII as main body, but this 50D is really fun to play with.
I don't know about you guys, but I think the sharp and big LCD alone is well worth over 40D.
IQ? ..... many people may swamp over me by saying this, but I think it's a tad batter than 40D. Plus, it has more room for cropping.


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Mar 30, 2009 11:36 |  #19

I added the 50d to the collection last Sept and after 75,000+ clicks it has proved ultra reliable and the upgrades i.m.o. make it a worthwhile addition and as a it brings the money in it needs to do the job. BTW neither do I agree with the comments re noise at high ISO, the punters hare happy so thats what counts and a lot of what I do is low light evening motorsport. If they weren't happy the bills wouldn't be paid.
As for the 60 bring it on, I want it in Sept and dont need the video.


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Mar 30, 2009 12:02 |  #20

I'd like a 50D, mainly for the improvements to the rear display screen but the main issue with the 50D is that 15mp is just a little too much to cram into an APS-C sensor; which is why it performs worse than the 40D in some high ISO tests.

It would probably have been much better recieved had they kept it to around 12mp or something.

As we all know, huge mega pixel counts is generally just a gimmick that doesn't really add much in terms of quality (and in the case of the 50D, is actually detrimental to the quality in some cases).

But that said, if I had the money I would probably trade in my 40D and get one.

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Mar 30, 2009 12:23 |  #21

TeamSpeed wrote in post #7629218 (external link)
And the 40D wasn't a big upgrade over the 30D, and the 30D was not a big upgrade over the 20D, etc.

The story is the same year after year. The standing rule for the past 3 years from what I have seen is that only sensible thing for most folks is to skip every other release. There is no real definition of what the ideal upgrade of one body over the prior is, everyone has their own subjective opinion.

Bottom line, buy what you want, need and/or can afford, and own that decision. If you don't like it after the fact, in most cases it is nobody else's fault, but your own for having purchased it (unless you want to discuss the AF issues on the MKIII when it first came out).

If you are happy with what you have, then keep it and use it.

There are only 2 decisions really, and neither of these will likely have anything to do with Canon.

my point was that this wasnt a huge upgrade over the 40d. It would be a worthwhile upgrade for the owners of the 30d and below but not enough for a 40d. Simple as that..


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Mar 30, 2009 12:34 as a reply to  @ canonnoob's post |  #22

Yep.
I would imagine going from a 30D to a 50D would be a pretty nice upgrade, but from a 40D to 50D, it's not much.

Though I would say things like MFA is certainly a very nice feature to have that is lacking from the 40D...not to mention the lovely LCD.:D




  
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Mar 30, 2009 12:34 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #23

The 50d is a joy to work with!
I'm what you call a pixel peeper, I tend to play around with photoshop and therefore I need to go "deep".
On the 50d the feeling goes both ways. On one hand you have all the marvelous pixels to fine-cut the subjects, on the other hand the details aren't that crisp as with a 30d, like for instance eyes.
My mistake, since I'm a portrait lover I should have gone for the 5d (or save up for the 5dII)

I have the 50d since january and found out that there is a learning curve that comes with it. The (almost) double pixelcount makes the camera more sensible to mistakes like shake and sharpness. One has to be more carefull in taking the shot. Once you have the hang of it (being more concentrated) it's a joy to see the result.

By the way, I also have the Rebel, the 30d and with the 50d the pictures mostly come out just fine, with no need of extra enhancing (levels and contrast) and I use the same settings for each of them. It sure saves a lot of time in PP.

That said I still plan on buying the 5dII somewhere next year.

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Mar 30, 2009 12:52 as a reply to  @ Lenty007's post |  #24

This forum really helped me as I was learning about dslr's and what camera to buy. But I also learned really quickly that alot of posts have nothing to do with anything except complaining. Some people will even write out a long story about how stupid you are rather than answering a Q that couldve been easily answered:rolleyes:

Now despite everyones complaining about how sucky a rebel series camera is (for example) I just look at some of the pictures that members have posted and realize that the rebels are quite good cameras. The same goes for the 50D. Just look at the pictures and decide for yourself if the camera sucks.

Someone just a few days ago just put a side by side pic using a p&s and a dslr. Now that really puts things in perspective.


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Mar 30, 2009 13:05 |  #25

While I agree with your assessment of POTN, and you will always get bad seeds everywhere, compared to other websites, it's very pleasant to be here. Much more friendly atmosphere and much more folks willing to help others regardless of skill level.

As for Rebels, except for high ISO noise difference, there really isn't a jaw dropping difference in IQ between a sub $1000 Rebel and something like the 1 series bodies.

However, I think folks need to put things in perspective. Yes an upgrade/update implies improvement. Certainly, the 50D offers up improvement in the features category, but strictly speaking IQ, it has never been the case where you would suddenly see a jump. It just doesn't happen. And mostly, if any difference is seen, it's in the High ISO noise category.

Such was the case when I went from the 30D/40D to the 5D. The same when I went from the 5D to the 1DMKIII. But then we are talking about a jump from one product line to the next...

elitejp wrote in post #7630109 (external link)
This forum really helped me as I was learning about dslr's and what camera to buy. But I also learned really quickly that alot of posts have nothing to do with anything except complaining. Some people will even write out a long story about how stupid you are rather than answering a Q that couldve been easily answered:rolleyes:

Now despite everyones complaining about how sucky a rebel series camera is (for example) I just look at some of the pictures that members have posted and realize that the rebels are quite good cameras. The same goes for the 50D. Just look at the pictures and decide for yourself if the camera sucks.

Someone just a few days ago just put a side by side pic using a p&s and a dslr. Now that really puts things in perspective.




  
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Mar 30, 2009 15:47 |  #26

canonnoob wrote in post #7628698 (external link)
most people will agree and many will disagree with me but the 50d was not a great upgrade from the 40d. simple as that. and since most of the forum has 40ds... they (and myself) are justifying the purchase of their 40d i guess. Honestly I dont see the 50d as a bad camera, just not a worthwhile upgrade from the 40d.

This I would completely agree with. I don't think it is a great upgrade from 40D.

I upgraded to 50D from Rebel XSi (450D). That is an awesome upgrade IMO.

It's simple. If 40D owners don't think it is a worthwhile upgrade, than don't upgrade. I'm with OP...stop complaining about it and trying to justify in your mind why you can't/won't get one!  :p


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Mar 30, 2009 16:02 |  #27

I saw an exhaustive review comparing the 50D, 5D, and 5DII image quality. The 50D was ever so slightly behind when viewed with a magnifying glass. So to the naked eye the prints were practically identical.

Good enough. It's not like we all work for National Geographic.



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Mar 30, 2009 16:34 as a reply to  @ HoosierJoe's post |  #28

I saw an exhaustive review comparing the 50D, 5D, and 5DII image quality. The 50D was ever so slightly behind when viewed with a magnifying glass. So to the naked eye the prints were practically identical.

That's absurd where the 5D MKII is concerned. If you're getting the same results with the 50D and 5D MKII you're doing something really wrong.

I had a 50D, nice camera, nothing wrong with it. I love and miss the micro adjustment, that's a great feature to include. I don't really care about the LCD I shoot RAW only so everything but composition is of no consequence. It does produce a lot of noise, no way around it, and that's not ****, it's just a fact of the technology. Small sensor's only going to hold so much. ;)


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Mar 30, 2009 16:40 |  #29

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That's absurd where the 5D MKII is concerned. If you're getting the same results with the 50D and 5D MKII you're doing something really wrong.

I had a 50D, nice camera, nothing wrong with it. I love and miss the micro adjustment, that's a great feature to include. I don't really care about the LCD I shoot RAW only so everything but composition is of no consequence. It does produce a lot of noise, no way around it, and that's not ****, it's just a fact of the technology. Small sensor's only going to hold so much. ;)

Depends. At lower ISOs, I would expect that this is really the case. We are at the point in the evolution in digital cameras that IQ won't be the deciding factor but rather high ISO performance (even at the expense of heavy handed noise removal inbody in some manufacturers' eyes), image sizes, and features will be. Nikon caught onto this in the last couple of years and it now shows in their take of the market share.

It would be really neat to take a series of shots from various cameras at a set ISO (let's say 800), post them onto a site and create a poll under each image as to which body took it. Even the seasoned folks here would have a hard time in alot of cases determining which body took which picture.


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Mar 30, 2009 16:51 |  #30

i griped. fixed issue..everything is A-OK.




  
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