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Apr 30, 2009 08:10 |  #1

Hey guys,

In two weeks i'm leaving to travel through Indonesia for 35 days. I've currently got 27gb of compact flash cards, but will most probably buy another 8gb card to make it 35gb all up for the trip.

I'm a bit heavy on the old trigger finger (but hope to learn not to be), and would love to hear peoples opinions on whether or not this will be enough storage. 1gb per day? It seems like it may be enough, but while in Europe I did use 27gb in 18 days...

...2gb of which was taken during a 5 minute paragliding ride...

I'll probably end up culling lots at the end of each day, but hey, quality not quantity right?

I'm shooting raw only for those interested.

Thoughts?

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Apr 30, 2009 08:46 |  #2

I've found that I average around 100 or so frames a day while traveling. I don't know how big the files from either of your Nikons are, so I can't really relate 100 frames to GB space; on my 1D3 or 5D, I'd need at least 2 GB per day at that rate. I'd also hold off culling anything other than the most glaringly obvious bad shots unless you have a laptop to view them on (in which case the capacity question becomes moot, since you can always back up some or all your photos to the laptop HDD).


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Apr 30, 2009 08:50 as a reply to  @ Jon's post |  #3

For my money, I'd get a Hyperdrive and back up things on it. You'll have a backup and won't have to worry that you may not have enough memory cands.


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Apr 30, 2009 09:03 as a reply to  @ tvphotog's post |  #4

dont forget to visit bali and lombok ;)


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Apr 30, 2009 09:05 |  #5

I would not consider 1GB/day enough for a day trip inside my country, let alone going abroad. I've found time and time again I always regret deleting pictures based on the LCD preview, even when I zoom in to inspect details.

Look into a cheap netbook or a hyperdrive if you can afford it. If not, I would buy as many memory cards as your budget allows.


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Apr 30, 2009 09:29 |  #6

Like Jon, I average about 100 shots per day while on holiday (when photography was ancillary to taking a vacation and playing tourist) Something to consider is how YOU shoot...RAW, or JPG out of the camera? and what that file size happens to average.


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Apr 30, 2009 09:37 |  #7

TristanCardew wrote in post #7831081 (external link)
Hey guys,

In two weeks i'm leaving to travel through Indonesia for 35 days. I've currently got 27gb of compact flash cards, but will most probably buy another 8gb card to make it 35gb all up for the trip.

I'm a bit heavy on the old trigger finger (but hope to learn not to be), and would love to hear peoples opinions on whether or not this will be enough storage. 1gb per day? It seems like it may be enough, but while in Europe I did use 27gb in 18 days...

...2gb of which was taken during a 5 minute paragliding ride...

I'll probably end up culling lots at the end of each day, but hey, quality not quantity right?

I'm shooting raw only for those interested.

Thoughts?

Cheers.

raw with which camera? you know it does make a difference.

in 10 days in africa i shot 56 gigs of raw files with a 10 mp camera. we're going to alaska later this year for a slightly shorter trip and i'm taking 56 gigs plus a netbook and HD for back ups and i'm wondering if i have enough memory....because while i still have the 10 mp camera my main camera is 21 mp.

so....depends on the camera, depends on the person and depends on what you are shooting. i do know in your situation i'd have at least 100 gb and at least one device to store files....and another camera body :D.

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Apr 30, 2009 09:43 |  #8

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For my money, I'd get a Hyperdrive and back up things on it. You'll have a backup and won't have to worry that you may not have enough memory cands.

so if he runs out of cards -- and my guess is he will -- and has files stored only on the hyperdrive would you say the files are backed up?

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Apr 30, 2009 10:14 |  #9

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so if he runs out of cards -- and my guess is he will -- and has files stored only on the hyperdrive would you say the files are backed up?

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Apr 30, 2009 10:49 |  #10

You don't need much memory if you have a back up ... I agree with Wilt as to the solution.

As to having a heavy trigger finger maybe look at how many keepers you get. That is what counts. The less time you have your eye at the viewfinder the more time and attention you can take to find an interesting shot. Personally I would manage on 35gb but I'd have a backup too.


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Apr 30, 2009 15:25 |  #11

I shot a little over 1GB/day during a 3-week trip there with a 5D. 5D RAW files are about, what, 12-15MB apiece? All in all I think I was pretty conservative on the trigger too, so I'd vote for more storage if you have a twitchy trigger finger.




  
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Apr 30, 2009 23:50 |  #12

Cheers for all the responses guys. :)

Jon wrote in post #7831265 (external link)
I've found that I average around 100 or so frames a day while traveling. I don't know how big the files from either of your Nikons are, so I can't really relate 100 frames to GB space; on my 1D3 or 5D, I'd need at least 2 GB per day at that rate. I'd also hold off culling anything other than the most glaringly obvious bad shots unless you have a laptop to view them on (in which case the capacity question becomes moot, since you can always back up some or all your photos to the laptop HDD).

I'm guessing the raw files from the D300 (the one body i'm taking) are roughly the same size as the 1d3 or 5D, seeing as they're roughly the same MP size. Each file is between 18 and 20MB. If 100 frames is 2gb, well, 1gb per day is definitely not going to cut it...

Unfortunately I won't be taking a laptop, so that rules out that idea too. :(

Thanks for your input Jon!

tvphotog wrote in post #7831289 (external link)
For my money, I'd get a Hyperdrive and back up things on it. You'll have a backup and won't have to worry that you may not have enough memory cands.

I've had a look at Hyperdrives, but in Australia they're a little more than i'd want to spend. I forgot to mention the fact i'm on a bit of a budget before leaving. Although, perhaps if I can scrape the money together (or find one cheaper off ebay) i'll pick one up.

hanzers wrote in post #7831355 (external link)
dont forget to visit bali and lombok ;)

It's funny you mention Lombok actually, i've been doing quite a bit of reading lately and will most definitely be heading there. I've planned 7 of the 35 days to be spent in Lombok...but might extend that out if I truly love it. :D

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I would not consider 1GB/day enough for a day trip inside my country, let alone going abroad. I've found time and time again I always regret deleting pictures based on the LCD preview, even when I zoom in to inspect details.

Look into a cheap netbook or a hyperdrive if you can afford it. If not, I would buy as many memory cards as your budget allows.

At the moment the budget can't quite extend to a Hyperdrive, but I have some friends willing to donate CF cards, so i'll see how many I can scrape together, as well as buy within budget, and hopefully that'll be enough! I do agree after thinking about it a little longer...1gb per day definitely isn't enough.

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Like Jon, I average about 100 shots per day while on holiday (when photography was ancillary to taking a vacation and playing tourist) Something to consider is how YOU shoot...RAW, or JPG out of the camera? and what that file size happens to average.

As mentioned above, most raw files from the D300 are usually between 18 and 20MB, meaning i'm definitely going to be needing more than 1gb per day.

ed rader wrote in post #7831531 (external link)
raw with which camera? you know it does make a difference.

in 10 days in africa i shot 56 gigs of raw files with a 10 mp camera. we're going to alaska later this year for a slightly shorter trip and i'm taking 56 gigs plus a netbook and HD for back ups and i'm wondering if i have enough memory....because while i still have the 10 mp camera my main camera is 21 mp.

so....depends on the camera, depends on the person and depends on what you are shooting. i do know in your situation i'd have at least 100 gb and at least one device to store files....and another camera body :D.

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Hey Ed, thanks for the input. When I said I was heavy on the trigger, I didn't quite mean as heavy as you...56gb in 10 days is quite a bit! I'll be shooting solely with the 12MP D300, but unfortunately can't quite afford 100 gigs of cards + a storage device...i'll do my best to get there though...;)

I'm now thinking (or hoping), perhaps 51gb (adding another 8gb card + another 16gb card) will be enough.

condyk wrote in post #7832012 (external link)
You don't need much memory if you have a back up ... I agree with Wilt as to the solution.

As to having a heavy trigger finger maybe look at how many keepers you get. That is what counts. The less time you have your eye at the viewfinder the more time and attention you can take to find an interesting shot. Personally I would manage on 35gb but I'd have a backup too.

I know what you mean about keepers, and perhaps my lack-of, but I just find it so hard not to take lots of shots, of everything! However, as I said in the first post, quality not quantity, right?

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #7833458 (external link)
I shot a little over 1GB/day during a 3-week trip there with a 5D. 5D RAW files are about, what, 12-15MB apiece? All in all I think I was pretty conservative on the trigger too, so I'd vote for more storage if you have a twitchy trigger finger.

I think Ed Rader takes the cake for twitchiest trigger finger, however I think (now, after posting this thread) that i'll definitely pick up another 24gb of CF cards (or more if the budget allow) to make sure I have it all covered.

If worst comes to worst hopefully i'll be able to buy cards over there...

Thanks again for all the help guys. :)


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May 01, 2009 02:46 |  #13

Yogyakarta is a must to visit :D
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May 01, 2009 03:40 as a reply to  @ safarino's post |  #14

Why don't you get 2 x 100gb portable hard drives for backup? Not the fancy photo backup devices, just the drives and casings that need a computer to work. This should cost less than your purchase of the 8 + 16gb of CF cards.

There are lots of internet cafes in Indo, you can always backup via one of these computers to your portable hard drives, and skip the extra cost of portable drives such as the Hyperdrives and Epsons. This would probably be cheaper for you than purchasing a few extra CF cards too - with so many cards, you can do without a computer for a while.

However, with just the cards, you don't have 2 copies of your pics, which leaves you open to losing them if you get robbed. If you have 2 drives, you can store each in a different location - one in room, one with you in a day pack, so if there's a problem, only one copy will be lost - or if a hard drive fails, same thing. I've had a bag stolen on the last day of a big trip once, all film gone. Don't let that happen to you!

Just for reference, I took 40G of pics on a recent 5 week Nepal trip where we were trekking for 3 weeks (ie, not taking loads of pics) using a 5D I taking raw pics. And 30G in Bali over 2 weeks, same camera etc. I'm about to find out with a 5D II and Malaysia for 2 weeks.....


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May 01, 2009 09:47 |  #15

TristanCardew wrote in post #7836145 (external link)
I think Ed Rader takes the cake for twitchiest trigger finger, however I think (now, after posting this thread) that i'll definitely pick up another 24gb of CF cards (or more if the budget allow) to make sure I have it all covered.

I shot more than 6500 images (mostly Xsi RAW) plus video (S5) in Africa last year -- a total of 103.73Gb. I wouldn't consider a Gb per day even CLOSE to being enough. Bottom line: if I may never pass that way again, I'm gonna lean on the shutter big time. I'd get at least a Hyperdrive, better yet a Hyperdrive and a second backup device.


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