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Jun 04, 2009 22:56 |  #31

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lol thats excactly how i feel...i was at best buy and i was playing with the t1i and the mp is awesome....compare to xsi it was so awesome and i just stop and realize wat if the xsi suked

What size prints do you make? If you don't print larger than 4x6 or only view your images on a computer you only need 2.2 MP, so a 6MP camera would give more than enough room for serious cropping.


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Jun 05, 2009 00:33 |  #32

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Agree ... at least not without some explanation as to why these were chosen. All have very slow shutterspeeds ... maybe to show the limits of IS?

Ah sorry

This is before i started post processing things, There is 0 sharpening applied to any of that..meaning that yes, They are quite soft...darn AA filters :)

All were shot handheld, at ISO100, So yes, i was demonstrating how good the IS was to a degree, but you are indeed right, those are horridly sharp [Shows how bad your memory can be]

Hang on let me apply some of my post processing knowledge to a couple to demonstrate...Sadly the RAW files are on a disk buried somewhere, So i edited from the HQ JPEGs...

This was shot through a window which surely didnt help things:

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And this one i never can get the exposure/color -just- right, The lighting was poor i just love it because of the subject and how oblivious she is to the world around her..truthfully the lighting in there was a bit of a pain i feel looking back on them...nothing looks quite great color-wise

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Now then, heres some later ones i perhaps should have used before..

Ignore the black blob on the liscense plate please..

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Ok ok, again with the blur, This was shot from a car doing 60...and im not sure the stand is in focus [or would be in focus] on top of it...

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Very sadly it seems most of what i shot with this lens were things with little to no detail, lit poorly, or otherwise crap, All my really -really- good stuff in the timeframe was done with other lenses..Really upsetting when im trying to prove a point :(

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Jun 05, 2009 00:56 as a reply to  @ KenjiS's post |  #33

Here just to prove the "you dont need tons of megapixels" thing..or at least try to...

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This one is actually a fairly heavy crop...

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I know they're fake but theres a lot of little fine detail if you look...

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And heres a 100% crop of this:

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Its a link to show the full size it is on my screen...it looks dinky reduced to forum sizes, and look, it was shot at ISO1000, has a lot of NR applied and a bunch of other things and its still -very- sharp...

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Jun 05, 2009 01:06 as a reply to  @ KenjiS's post |  #34

My 450d/XSi is not soft and the lens you're using has a great reputation. Maybe, just maybe, you got a copy of the 17-55 that has focusing issues. Have you tried shooting a focus test chart or similar to see if your lens is front/back focusing. Again, lets see some samples!

Again, I don't have that lens, just much more humble glass, and here's how sharp the 450d/XSi can be:

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It may just be worthwhile trying out another lens or asking your retailer to check the lens out. Other than that, stick with it!

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Jun 05, 2009 01:09 as a reply to  @ Electric Shepherd's post |  #35

^- The interior of the church and that stone are excellent examples...sadly i have nothing similar on me right now...

The problem isnt finding something with tons of detail, i have that, its finding something with tons of detail easily seen on the forum's constrained size..

Hmn this oddly has a lot of detail...and can be viewed large on my DA

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Jun 05, 2009 02:08 as a reply to  @ KenjiS's post |  #36

Sorry Kenji, on re-reading it looks as though my comments were aimed at you, coming after your posts, I was in fact referring to the OP if you thought otherwise!


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Jun 05, 2009 02:19 |  #37

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Sorry Kenji, on re-reading it looks as though my comments were aimed at you, coming after your posts, I was in fact referring to the OP if you thought otherwise!

oh no no i realized that heh :)


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Jun 05, 2009 06:25 |  #38

The Xsi does NOT suck! The T1i gives you more resolution, but I don't think its image quality is going to be leaps and bounds above the Xsi. But hey, it's your money. If you're convinced that spending more money on a new body (rather than learning the craft) is the solution, then buy the T1i. But be prepared to find your pictures are probably going to look the same.

To repeat, I've taken thousands of VERY sharp images with my Xsi.

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Jun 05, 2009 07:06 |  #39

Socheathsun wrote in post #8050921 (external link)
to be honest i dont know much about cameras...i just put down the cameras i know about........

the type of camera im looking is for fashion/ glamour photography....somethi​ng i can use that will make the picture sharp and clear ........prolly something with a high mp............but no im not planning to use the video part if i was to get t1I

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The Xsi does NOT suck! The T1i gives you more resolution, but I don't think its image quality is going to be leaps and bounds above the Xsi. But hey, it's your money. If you're convinced that spending more money on a new body (rather than learning the craft) is the solution, then buy the T1i. But be prepared to find your pictures are probably going to look the same.

To repeat, I've taken thousands of VERY sharp images with my Xsi.

Learn technique and the basics (like aiming for a Shutterspeed of 1/Focal length) before blaming your camera for poor Image Quality. I have the 400D (the model before the Xsi) and mine is wonderfully sharp if i observe the basic rules!

Even using L lenses, if your technique isnt right and you arent sticking to the basic rules, then your IQ will be poor.


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Jun 05, 2009 21:30 |  #40

Socheathsun wrote in post #8052746 (external link)
lol thats excactly how i feel...i was at best buy and i was playing with the t1i and the mp is awesome....compare to xsi it was so awesome and i just stop and realize wat if the xsi suked

Just so you know, the T1i has the newer 3" 'Clear View' LCD with 920,000 dots/VGA, while the XSi has display with 3" 230,000 dot LCD. So if this is what you are basing your IQ assessment on, then of course the T1i looks better! It has a superb display, the same one used on the 50D and 5DMKII. The T1i will have more cropping ability for large size prints(that you'll never do), but the IQ is going to be about the same on the same screen or in print. The XSi is one of the best cameras out there, especially in its segment. The only reason to get a T1i over the XSi is for the video.


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Jun 05, 2009 22:13 |  #41

The 17-55 f2.8 IS is a very good lens. It produces better IQ than some of the L lenses. (IQ refers to image quality.) I replaced an L lens with my 17-55 and am very pleased with it. Please post some pictures and the information with them so we can try to help you out a bit. Main first thing is to keep your shutter speed up and be sure thhe camera is focusing on what you want it to. I set the focus to the center spot only so as to know where the camera is focusing. There is a technic known as focus and recompose that I use to keep from having the point of focus allways in the center. The XSi should perform quite well, especially with the 17-55. Use the lens at f5.6 or f8 for excellent resolution. I usle mine at f2.8 throu f11 or occasionally f16 with good results
Post some pics, try several things, look at your pictures on a computer monitor or a print. The LCD on the camera does not show the actual sharpness of your pictures, it does not have good resolution.

Have some fun with that camera!


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Jun 05, 2009 22:41 |  #42

I think the best advice given in this thread is to learn to use what you already have before investing in new equipment. There is many factors that go into making a picture sharp, etc. Read your manual, get other books on your camera, did I mention to read the manual. learn about light or the lack of it, DOF, so forth and so on. When you have gotten to the point that you can snatch your camera out of the bag and flick it on and dial it in with out having to think about what your doing, then you can consider moving up if what your shooting demands it.
Again to echo others, don't fall into the more MP's are better trap. If your shooting pictures to make 20x30 posters then more MP's are good, but for 4x6 and screens, the 3 or 4 will give you a sharper picture.


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