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Going to school for photography, which camera should I get? Please help!

 
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Jun 18, 2009 11:05 |  #16

i would find out from the school too. i recently sold my elan 7 to a student who had recently started photography school. this is what they were using.


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Jun 18, 2009 11:24 |  #17

Gabe63 wrote in post #8130126 (external link)
Get a 5D an some glass over a 5D2

Agreed. You'll save alot of money by buying a used 5D, use the money for some good glass, maybe a flash, filters, tripod, backpack, a trip somewhere e.t.c.

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Just curious: why?

Years ago I developed (no pun intended) a lot of bad habits by buying a film SLR and just "winging it".

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Jun 18, 2009 11:26 |  #18

hasselblad all the way!

;-)a j/k. try a used 30d or 40d. spend on lenses.


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Jun 18, 2009 11:31 as a reply to  @ CustomMinds's post |  #19

Check with the school. There's a photography school I know of in western Massachusetts, that last I knew, the students were using a Mamiya 645AFD with digital backs.


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Jun 18, 2009 11:55 as a reply to  @ CustomMinds's post |  #20

As an academic (albeit in another field), I have to say that you shouldn't be buying a camera just because you are going to be "doing photography"!
We on this forum don't know what level of studies you are taking, but if it is a "higher education" course like a University or technical school, you will be doing much more than simply using your favourite camera body to take your favourite types of shots, or using the body that the majority on this forum recommend. Studying photography almost always involves study and practice using equipment suitable for specific tasks that will be set. You will probably produce a portfolio for later presentation. Methods may include film and video. Industrial and commercial photography. Studio work. Lighting. Special effects. Digital, darkroom.
I would only buy the type of camera that the school expects you to have. That will probably be very basic and I'm sure they will have published a guide to the course which includes the equipment and materials required. The outcome of your studies will be teach you scientific principles, practical considerations, and to prepare you to earn a living which that means you need to get some broad general knowledge and skills before you decide what you would like to specialise in.

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Jun 18, 2009 13:18 as a reply to  @ Luke Cern's post |  #21

I have a feeling they will want you to have a 35mm camera. I love my EOS Elan 7e, It is a good balance between the heft of a 1v and flimsyness of a Rebel. You can get one for less than $100 and it is full frame. The EOS 3 was a great camera too, you can get it for about $250

If you also need a DSLR, I say the 5d classic as your lenses will work the same.
It is like 12x more expensive.


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Jun 18, 2009 23:15 |  #22

picturecrazy wrote in post #8132095 (external link)
What kind of "photography school" are we talking? Like an intro course to photography at your local community college? Or are we talking something like the Brooks Institute?

I've known people who went through Brooks with much less than a 5D. You'd be fine with anything from a rebel to a 1Ds mark III.

I'm taking classes at a community college to get started, but will be transferring the next semester to IUPUI's Herron School of Art, which is serious stuff from what I've heard. I'm paying for school as I go, so I wouldn't mind taking out a student loan to get camera stuff, since I'm going to school for it.

Is the 5D Mark II not a sports shooter because it only shoots 3.9 frames/second or is it something else too?


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Jun 18, 2009 23:38 |  #23

exodusfman800 wrote in post #8136403 (external link)
I'm taking classes at a community college to get started, but will be transferring the next semester to IUPUI's Herron School of Art, which is serious stuff from what I've heard. I'm paying for school as I go, so I wouldn't mind taking out a student loan to get camera stuff, since I'm going to school for it.

Is the 5D Mark II not a sports shooter because it only shoots 3.9 frames/second or is it something else too?

Sounds like a fun program you'll be doing. I'm envious!

The 5D series is not a popular sports shooter camera series not only because of the low FPS but because of the lack of pro-focusing system. Many things are slow on the camera, from shutter lag, viewfinder blackout, and flash x-sync. Viewfinder blackout is also a serious handicap for AF tracking. It's just not a speed camera, and is definitely not marketed as such. Most people don't notice the sluggishness of the camera until they actually experience the brute force speed of the 1D series. It's still an awesome machine though, but it certainly does have it's specialty.


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Jun 18, 2009 23:41 |  #24

well i just applied for photography school and got accepted. I've got an xsi


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Jun 18, 2009 23:58 as a reply to  @ 360°'s post |  #25

I'll second, third or fourth others to check with your school for what the requirements are.
Better yet, check with both of them to find out what are required. If they want you to start with a film camera, you may be too far ahead with a digital.
Anyway, you seem to set your mind on photography, good for you. Whatever you decide to get, make sure to have enough budget for good glass.


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Jun 19, 2009 08:48 |  #26

exodusfman800 wrote in post #8136403 (external link)
I'm taking classes at a community college to get started, but will be transferring the next semester to IUPUI's Herron School of Art, which is serious stuff from what I've heard. I'm paying for school as I go, so I wouldn't mind taking out a student loan to get camera stuff, since I'm going to school for it.

Is the 5D Mark II not a sports shooter because it only shoots 3.9 frames/second or is it something else too?


The lowest I would use for a sport camera is probably a good used 1D Mark 2. You can get these under $1,000 now. 8MP is plenty.




  
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Jun 19, 2009 10:28 |  #27

Ask the school, go there and talk to students and someone in the faculty. I went to Brooks Institute and we were required to have certain tools. Back then we had to have a 4x5 view camera with at least a 210mm lens for all of our weekly assignments and then also a 35mm for additional weekly assignments. Many of us also were allowed to use our medium format cameras as well. I know digital changes much but the concepts are best realized by working with what the teaching is designed around.

It can be whatever they require, we were given a shopping list before we ever started, ask. And if you are starting at a community college first and then transferring to the art school, then contact the art school and find out their requirements and set yourself up that way and use them throughout your community college education.

It's so easy to dump a whole lot of money into really cool stuff that you may have to sell when you are in school because you find you really need something else to better do your assignments.

Sometimes schools want you to have very basic equipment/tools to learn specifics and not get to reliant on whiz bang technology right at first.

I know so many people who are making money from photography, who truly do not understand the basics, relying on flash and 51 points of focus using the ring of fire Af and it's fine for what they've set out to do but basics become requirements when you are working with clients who say "I want you to do this, and this and this and we need the shot to do this and this and this... You need to know how to go there. Ask, ask, ask, the people who will be teaching you.

In the process you will find new interests in the type of photography you want to do, quite possibly changing all of your gear by the time you get out and go to work, photography can be a huge never ending money hole. Spending all your money on a 5DII may not serve you when you get to the art school. Often in school, the groovy cool things new cameras can do, don't get used and don't impress your teachers if they want you to shoot a certain way. School will be your foundation from which to grow; photography school is fantastic, I was barely into it when I realized the knowledge I already thought I had from experience really didn't cover much. Then when I went to work for a company it was like starting to learn all over again in the real world but I seriously needed the foundations I got in school to make any headway from there. It's neat, it's really, really neat.


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Jun 19, 2009 10:29 |  #28

Underscore wrote in post #8137983 (external link)
The lowest I would use for a sport camera is probably a good used 1D Mark 2.

You wouldn't consider a 40D or 50D?


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Jun 19, 2009 10:38 |  #29

bigland wrote in post #8138497 (external link)
You wouldn't consider a 40D or 50D?

For all the additional bells and whistles you get with a 1 series, including integrated battery grip, for only a few extra hundred, yes, I would not consider those you suggest.




  
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Jun 19, 2009 11:13 |  #30

Last year my daughter took an entry level photography course at her college and they required a 35 mm film camera. My guess is you may start similarly at the community college but after that first course the requirements may change.

Before you invest a lot of money in a camera system you should listen to the advice offered in previous posts and talk to both schools to find out their requirements. Although a 5DII and some nice lenses would be a great investment it would be a shame to spend all that money and then get to school and find out it was the wrong tool set for the courses you would be taking.

As far as the 5D for sports photography, last night I went to a baseball game for my second attempt at sports photography. I had my 40D set on high speed continuous mode and after a few shots decided I was wasting shots and so put the camera on low speed mode, approx. 3fps. After 1 burst I immediately reset the camera to high speed. The slower speed just did not work for catching the motion of a pitcher or a batter though I am sure a better photographer might do just fine. Then a guy with a 1D moved next to me and ripped off a series of shots. Wow what a difference in frame rates. Now I want a 1D3. I am sure lots of people take great sports shots with a 5D/5DII and some will say you don't need the higher frame rate because it is all in the timing of the shot. But for me I like the higher frame rate.


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