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Jun 22, 2009 00:46 |  #1

I have a friend of mine that does security camera installations. He wants to find a camera that can do really wide shots, without spending a fortune on gear. Typical security cameras are as low as 5mm, he has tried my 17-55 f/2.8 IS on my crop body 50D and said it is not wide enough, but not bad. I suspect a true 10mm perhaps even 16mm would do the job.

He wants to go on-site and be able to take a few quick pictures from the location he is recommending a camera and have a rough idea what the view would be.

He is open to any option, even a point and click would be fine. He doesn't want to have to go into a FF and buy a $1,500 lens to do this.

Anyone have ideas what the cheapest solution here?


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Jun 22, 2009 01:14 |  #2

Security cameras are usually fisheye. I'd look at one of those. Tokina 10-17, Sigma 10mm, etc.


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Jun 22, 2009 01:49 |  #3

tkbslc wrote in post #8151803 (external link)
Security cameras are usually fisheye. I'd look at one of those. Tokina 10-17, Sigma 10mm, etc.

Know of any point and clicks that are really wide?
I've tried looking for something small and compact but the only thing I could find was a DSLR w/ 10-22 lens (canon or sigma as you mentioned).


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Jun 22, 2009 01:57 |  #4

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Know of any point and clicks that are really wide?
I've tried looking for something small and compact but the only thing I could find was a DSLR w/ 10-22 lens (canon or sigma as you mentioned).

Widest is 24mm, which is like a 15mm lens on a rebel.

You don't want the Canon 10-22, you want the 10mm fisheye - big difference.


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Jun 22, 2009 01:58 |  #5

Holga with a fisheye lens?


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Jun 22, 2009 02:04 |  #6

Get a crop body and the Sigma 8mm fisheye: http://www.sigmaphoto.​com …l_details.asp?n​avigator=4 (external link)




  
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Jun 22, 2009 09:45 |  #7

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Holga with a fisheye lens?

I actually was thinking along the same lines, too, but assumed digital was a requirement. Lomo actually makes a fun little fisheye film camere for about $40-50. THe fixed lens is a fisheye, so the results are a little better than the HOlga's with an accessory lens. I keep thinking about getting one since I will likely never really justify getting a fisheye lens for my SLR.

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Jun 22, 2009 13:24 |  #8

tkbslc wrote in post #8153116 (external link)
I actually was thinking along the same lines, too, but assumed digital was a requirement. Lomo actually makes a fun little fisheye film camere for about $40-50. THe fixed lens is a fisheye, so the results are a little better than the HOlga's with an accessory lens. I keep thinking about getting one since I will likely never really justify getting a fisheye lens for my SLR.

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Really need digital as he needs quick turn around.


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Jun 22, 2009 14:40 |  #9

Panasonic LX2/LX3 with a 17mm (fullframe) wide-angle converter? Shouldn't be too much. Not sure about the quality though :p


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Jun 22, 2009 16:13 |  #10

Get a used or refurb 40D and a Tokina 12-24 for about $1K. The Tokina is an excellent Ultra Wide, built like a tank and gives excellent color and sharpness. You could save a lot by getting a 30D or even a 20D and the 12-24.

Here's the Tokina 12-24 lens sample pics thread.


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Jun 22, 2009 16:19 |  #11

canonloader wrote in post #8155089 (external link)
Get a used or refurb 40D and a Tokina 12-24 for about $1K. The Tokina is an excellent Ultra Wide, built like a tank and gives excellent color and sharpness. You could save a lot by getting a 30D or even a 20D and the 12-24.

Here's the Tokina 12-24 lens sample pics thread.

A rebel is probably more than adequate for this person. I will have a look a this lens, thanks.


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Jun 22, 2009 16:28 |  #12

lets face it - a 350D will suffice on green box mode with lens of choosing - if his surveilance applications are for fisheye then great - otherwise 10mm on crop will do the job of a recce to site and then he will know how this view applies to his various security cameras.

350d 400d with a siggy 10-20

I would imagine the true view would be harder to gauge using fish as the last 10% of the frame can hold alot of distance shot. backed into a corner with 17mm on FF can really see alot... i guess you could look at AOV compared from lenses to his security lenses... at ff equiv of 19.2mm - i dont think the tonika will cut it - crop would have to be 10mm and FF 16mm for this specific use, or a fish if he can suitably interpret the distortion on distance.


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Jun 22, 2009 16:33 |  #13

Saxi wrote in post #8151690 (external link)
I have a friend of mine that does security camera installations. He wants to find a camera that can do really wide shots, without spending a fortune on gear. Typical security cameras are as low as 5mm, he has tried my 17-55 f/2.8 IS on my crop body 50D and said it is not wide enough, but not bad. I suspect a true 10mm perhaps even 16mm would do the job.

Does he mean 5mm actual or 5mm camera? 5mm on a 1/1.8in camera is about 24mm on a 1.6 crop, so you need about a 14mm lens on a 1.6 crop. Some casio cameras also offer 24mm equivalents, so you should go look them up in B&H.


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Jun 22, 2009 17:47 |  #14

basroil wrote in post #8155177 (external link)
Does he mean 5mm actual or 5mm camera? 5mm on a 1/1.8in camera is about 24mm on a 1.6 crop, so you need about a 14mm lens on a 1.6 crop. Some casio cameras also offer 24mm equivalents, so you should go look them up in B&H.

I think 5mm actual, he is looking it up and is going to let me know. I think if he can get mid to low 10's he will be fine. But he doesn't want to buy a $800 camera and an $800 lens to go with it for this.


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Jun 22, 2009 19:15 |  #15

canonloader wrote in post #8155089 (external link)
Get a used or refurb 40D and a Tokina 12-24 for about $1K. The Tokina is an excellent Ultra Wide, built like a tank and gives excellent color and sharpness. You could save a lot by getting a 30D or even a 20D and the 12-24.

Here's the Tokina 12-24 lens sample pics thread.

I think I am actually in the market myself for a wide angle lens, I was considering the Canon 10-22 myself, but I have been holding off buying it as I ultimately want to go to a 5D II.

Out of all the 10-22ish wide angle lenses out there, which one is considered the best quality?


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