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Jun 23, 2009 19:53 |  #1

OK LET ME START BY ASKING A QUESTION,,AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IM NOT TRYING TO STIR THE POT:cool:

i was at a wedding this weekend and another photog that was shooting after we were done had the new 5dmk2. we chatted for a few minutes and i was asking him about the new toy. he made a comment that i found od. asked him if it was a problem working with the larger files and how he liked the camera ??

his response was not what i expected. he said,, all im shooting is s-raw and smaller files,,takes up too much memory,,so its really not a problem to process them. the whole time im thinking,,jeeze,,why get the 5dmk2 if your only going to shoot smaller files,,thats close to what the current 5d file size is. my thinking is he just got an updated 5d and his only real benefit would be the viewfinder and high iso performance.

AGAIN,,NOT TRYING TO STIR UP A BIG ARGUMENT. but doesnt that really defeat the reasons for getting the updated 5d over the current 5dmk1. would like to hear your thoughts from the guys that use the current 5dmk2. i was set on buying one at the start of the year


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Jun 23, 2009 20:11 |  #2

as a wedding photog myself, i shoot in sraw1 as well.

here is why i use the 5D II exclusively over the 5D I:

High ISO smokes it.
Live View has become a great tool when shooting portraits
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Jun 23, 2009 20:11 |  #3

Yes, it does.


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Jun 23, 2009 20:11 |  #4

Larger, higher res LCD, microadjustment, possibility of doing video on the fly (in the event he wants to dabble in HD video). And if/when he really need to (for perhaps some other work), he can dial it up to full 21mp.

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Jun 23, 2009 20:55 |  #5

jwcdds wrote in post #8162647 (external link)
Larger, higher res LCD, microadjustment, possibility of doing video on the fly (in the event he wants to dabble in HD video). And if/when he really need to (for perhaps some other work), he can dial it up to full 21mp.

And he's got the money. :D

ha ha

he actually had a 5d and a 5dmk2. the 5d was mounted to his 70-200 and the 5dmk2 was mounted to a 24-70. thats all he uses. he indicated he got the 5dmk2 because he wanted another camera after his 20d died. prefers full frame i guess. anyway, i can see the reasoning for the current model,,but s-raw is what,,about 12mp,s on the current 5dmk2,,,so i guess the real advantage is high iso for guys that shoot stills


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Jun 24, 2009 00:18 |  #6

But wouldnt you shoot the full 21.1 if you had a smokin fast comp?

Were talking like a CORE i7 975 with like 32gb of DDR3 and several Tb's of space.

Then processing those large RAW's wouldnt be a problem! :D


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Jun 24, 2009 05:56 |  #7

The main thing that's putting me off purchasing a 5D2 is the 21mp files that are a pita to process and archive. That's why I decided on a 1D mark 3, even though its not full frame.


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Jun 24, 2009 07:34 |  #8

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The main thing that's putting me off purchasing a 5D2 is the 21mp files that are a pita to process and archive. That's why I decided on a 1D mark 3, even though its not full frame.

anyone else that ownes the 5dmk2 care to comment on this. im on a similar thought path myself. i have budgeted for a 5dmk2 purchase in feb 2010, but if im going to be shooting in s-raw most of the time,,i might re-think this some more...maybe another 5dmk1:confused:


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Jun 24, 2009 07:43 |  #9

As you can see from my sig, I am a wedding and portrait photog, and the guy's reasons are precisely why I still haven't upgraded my 5D. I shoot with the combination of a 5D and a 1D Mark II N. I don't want or need 21mp from my 5D replacement, I want a faster, snappier, and more responsive camera! If Canon had an equivalent to the Nikon D700, I would be shooting with two of those right now!

I have used the 5D Mark II, and didn't find anything worth upgrading for (my father has bought himself one for hobby use). Of course, if my 5D is destroyed or stops working, then I will have to replace it with a current model, but I don't see any reason to upgrade right now, not for the sort of work I do...


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Jun 24, 2009 08:43 |  #10

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anyone else that ownes the 5dmk2 care to comment on this. im on a similar thought path myself. i have budgeted for a 5dmk2 purchase in feb 2010, but if im going to be shooting in s-raw most of the time,,i might re-think this some more...maybe another 5dmk1:confused:

Rudi wrote in post #8165182 (external link)
As you can see from my sig, I am a wedding and portrait photog, and the guy's reasons are precisely why I still haven't upgraded my 5D. I shoot with the combination of a 5D and a 1D Mark II N. I don't want or need 21mp from my 5D replacement, I want a faster, snappier, and more responsive camera! If Canon had an equivalent to the Nikon D700, I would be shooting with two of those right now!

I have used the 5D Mark II, and didn't find anything worth upgrading for (my father has bought himself one for hobby use). Of course, if my 5D is destroyed or stops working, then I will have to replace it with a current model, but I don't see any reason to upgrade right now, not for the sort of work I do...

1Ds Mark 2 perhaps? Cheaper than 5D mark 2 now on the asian used market.


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Jun 24, 2009 08:53 |  #11

I no longer do weddings and when I did it was all on MF square format.

However, I can tell you that anything a wedding photographer can do to reduce the post processing is a plus. Also keep in mind that unless he/she believes a large print would come from a shot, most prints will be quite small (4x5/5x5/8x10). If it were me using the 5Dii, I would probably shoot 90% sraw 1 with a handfull of posed portraits in full raw.

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Jun 24, 2009 08:56 |  #12

I shoot in Sraw (10mp) as well, I dont need 21mp, I bought the camera for ISO perfomance.


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Jun 24, 2009 08:57 as a reply to  @ Headshotzx's post |  #13

they upgraded a LOT of things on this body beyond just the sensor.... Also remember, if he's an active wedding photog, he probably updates bodies every other year or so anyway.

but yeah, I shoot sRAW2 a ton for my daily crap. My landscapes and other things I might sell get full res, but that's maybe 10% of what I shoot? The other reasons I got the 5Dii:

  • self cleaning sensor (I had to clean my 5D monthly)
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  • better high ISOs
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  • C1, C2 and C3 (I use these modes 95% of the time!)


basically, I was VERY happy with the IQ from my 5D and didn't need more MP. They could be nice for some of the images I sell, but it wasn't crucial and by no means a selling point. But I also had a 40D when I had my 5D for added reach. Well cropping the 21mp to 1.6 gets me an 8mp cropped image. So I effectively keep the reach but with one body. More importantly I get all the bells and whistles of the 40D on my full frame body. I can't stress enough how nice a self cleaning sensor is on FF for me. I had to clean my 5D every month with a wet clean, but in ~7 months with the 5Dii and ~6k shots I've yet to even use the blower! I've seen dust on a few shots, but once I cycle the power switch they're GONE!!! As with all bigger viewfinders though, I've had to yank the screen and blow it off occasionally.

But yeah, the 5Dii upgrade is a lot more than JUST the sensor. That's a big part, but everything else makes it an amazing package. I considered keeping my 5D as I was so thrilled with it, but the 5Dii is doing everything the 5D did and more. I do expect to keep this body for quite a long time though (hopefully skipping the mark III) because the upgrade to it was more for the bells and whistles, so what could I need in a new version (the answer would be if they upped the FPS significantly)?

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Try II (double capital i). You're looking for 2 in roman numerals and not 11 (eleven).


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Jun 24, 2009 09:10 |  #15

I second this - I used to shoot medium format film up until 2006 when I transitioned to digital.

Post Processing can certainly be a major issue when you are dealing with an entire day and 600+ images. Time is money when you get home to your "lab", and you want to speed this up. You don't want to build in new bottlenecks. You also don't want to need to run out and buy new CPU's to handle the larger files.

I have plenty of HD space at home right now, along with a 5 year Pentium 4 CPU that does ok..... for now, with my old 5D files. Certainly high rez LCD, fantastic ISO performance and live view would be attractions of the MlII.

I haven't thought about it much until this discussion, but likely I'd shoot my weddings at S-RAW also, preferring to deal with perfectly good 12MB files. That being said, I do a lot of urban landscape work and would probably go the full RAW rez for those.

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I no longer do weddings and when I did it was all on MF square format.

However, I can tell you that anything a wedding photographer can do to reduce the post processing is a plus. Also keep in mind that unless he/she believes a large print would come from a shot, most prints will be quite small (4x5/5x5/8x10). If it were me using the 5Dii, I would probably shoot 90% sraw with a handfull of posed portraits in full raw.

As always, YMMV.


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