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24-70 L Mk II (a Stealthy Prophecy)

 
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Jul 04, 2009 10:40 |  #121

i think people think IS is a must.

northern lights does have some awesome images, but when it comes to future camera specs, i dont think he has a clue.


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Jul 04, 2009 12:29 |  #122

Well when a new technology is introduced we tend to think it "has" to be applied to everything. I think that at least has been my case but I never think today that I wish my 24-70 had IS at all, if it had it of course I'd turn it on because it was there but I'd rather have less size and weight with the same image quality. I'd rather have a faster lens than IS; having a smaller profile would cause me to grab it even more often than a prime when I'm just out shooting and if it is faster, I'd more often leave the primes at home. I like this lens a lot, it's just very handy so if they do make any of these changes I'll seriously consider it, but not if it just offers IS.


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Jul 04, 2009 13:51 |  #123

I buy equipment for a lifetime of use. One of the reasons I picked the 24-70 was that it didn't have IS. Added complexity = added repair issues. My next lens will be a non IS 70-200 more then likely.




  
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Jul 04, 2009 14:50 |  #124

friz wrote in post #8223266 (external link)
I buy equipment for a lifetime of use. One of the reasons I picked the 24-70 was that it didn't have IS. Added complexity = added repair issues. My next lens will be a non IS 70-200 more then likely.

As in 24-70 is so simple without IS? :D

Your argument has very little substance, because breakages are a matter of chance or usage. And I have not heard of any substantial number of problems with IS stop working with otherwise perfect lens (there definitely should be cases like this, but comparing to AF issues for example I am sure they are negligible).

That said, 24-70 does not need IS, who would want a lens that weighs 1.5kilo with normal zoom range?!


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Jul 04, 2009 21:51 |  #125

friz wrote in post #8223266 (external link)
I buy equipment for a lifetime of use. One of the reasons I picked the 24-70 was that it didn't have IS. Added complexity = added repair issues. My next lens will be a non IS 70-200 more then likely.

I think for 70-200 hand-held shooting IS is a must...


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Jul 05, 2009 07:59 |  #126

bigcountry wrote in post #8222452 (external link)
i think people think IS is a must.

northern lights does have some awesome images, but when it comes to future camera specs, i dont think he has a clue.

Thanks - I'd actually much rather people found some the Northlight articles/reviews of use, or just enjoyed some of the pictures... :-)

I started a rumour page about 5 years ago and the pages do have a bit of a life of their own. I'd always emphasise that apart from the more absurd suggestions I get sent (and I've had some truly awful Photoshoped fakes sent ;-)a ) I'll put much of it up. The rumour health warnings do apply - take with a big pinch of salt! It's very rare that I get any cast iron stuff, but I know that a lot of people are amused by the rumours, and it's certainly not bad for the web site as a whole - I've noted the proliferation of rumour only sites with interest over the last few years, particularly the way a typo in one of my recent posts spread it's way round the net :-)


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Jul 05, 2009 08:18 as a reply to  @ keithcooper's post |  #127

drisley wrote in post #8198132 (external link)
This is rather interesting. Telephoto primes from Canon are so sharp and spectacular... yet they have a hard time making a similarly amazing "normal" prime like the 50mm.

The 50mm f/1.8 and 50mm f/1.4 are fantastically sharp lenses for very cheap. The 50 f/1.2L has some focusing issues, not optical issues, so not sure what you're talking about. I agree, though, that I'd LOVE to have a 50mm f/1.4L for a better price point.

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I'd pay $500 for a Mk2 50 f/1.4 with quick ring-usm and better optical quality wide open...I think theres many others who would too

I sure would!

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I do think a 30 or 35mm f1.8 for APS-C is coming soon, though. :)

Why do you think that? They've had a 35 f/2 for years, while Nikon has had nothing! Just because Nikon's decided to get back in the game with their primes doesn't mean Canon has to pointlessly reiterate things. I'm not saying it won't happen, but I'm curious what your logic is.

Personally, I think it's stupid to wait around for a new lens that might or might not be released, and deprive yourself of a lens that you might want or need. I've been able to sell just about all of my L lenses for ~90% of their value, and others I've bought used and could probably sell for a profit, so it's not hard to buy the 24-70 now and dump it when the new one comes out. Everyone will want the new lens, you say? Well, with IS it will be closer to ~$2k, and there will be tons of people who will be just fine with the older, cheaper lens.

I, for one, have never missed IS on my normal zoom, and I am a HUGE advocate of IS generally.

Finally, just because a new, better lens is coming out, doesn't mean the old ones suck. I have been using a 16-35 f/2.8L mkI quite happily for months, and don't feel any need to upgrade to the mkII, even though it exists. Similarly with the 24L--I don't have it, but I'd get the mkI over the mkII, just because for ME, the quality increase doesn't justify the price increase.

In some cases, like with the 50L or the 85L, a mkII makes sense--for the 85L, the mkII gives you faster focus, which is important. For the 50L, we can only hope that it fixes the focus issues.

Just my 10 cents!


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Jul 06, 2009 01:16 |  #128
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keithcooper wrote in post #8226399 (external link)
Thanks - I'd actually much rather people found some the Northlight articles/reviews of use, or just enjoyed some of the pictures... :-)

I started a rumour page about 5 years ago and the pages do have a bit of a life of their own. I'd always emphasise that apart from the more absurd suggestions I get sent (and I've had some truly awful Photoshoped fakes sent ;-)a ) I'll put much of it up. The rumour health warnings do apply - take with a big pinch of salt! It's very rare that I get any cast iron stuff, but I know that a lot of people are amused by the rumours, and it's certainly not bad for the web site as a whole - I've noted the proliferation of rumour only sites with interest over the last few years, particularly the way a typo in one of my recent posts spread it's way round the net :-)

Well, you're better than Mr. Ken R. ;)

I like your site dude. It's one of my rumour sources. As you suggested, rumours are for fun and possible future lens planning, it's not life and death. ;)




  
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Jul 06, 2009 04:27 |  #129

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Well, you're better than Mr. Ken R. ;)

Now that, I -do- appreciate ;-)a Thanks!


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Jul 07, 2009 14:39 |  #130

Have a June 09 24-70L - so knowing my luck there's an update on the way guaranteed...


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Jul 07, 2009 15:59 as a reply to  @ zaathrus's post |  #131

Who knows with the rumors? It's encouraging to hear of people spotting what we assume are test models in the wild. I was planning to pick up a 24-70 a couple of months ago and the guy I go to at the local shop told me to hold off. He didn't say why, but I suppose I could infer that a new one was on the way. He worked for Canon for a lot of years, but maybe it was just intuition.

The thing is, I've been renting the 24-70 for jobs now so I could hold off and buy the new one, and I have not been crazy about the image quality on the original. Barrel distortion is out of control on the wider angles. I shot a couple of test shots with the 24-70 at around 35mm. Then compared it to the 16-35ii at 35mm. The difference was kind of shocking. From 24 to 35mm (where I could make a comparison) you really saw just how distorted the 24-70 is. The images looked almost wrinkled near the corners. And yes, it was definitely a bit soft. So there is room for improvement from what I can see.


As to what's "sharp enough" or what sensors can "outresolve" which lenses, I have little comment. How you shoot, what you print, and a million other variables would factor in to that, I suppose. Sharp enough for one person might not be for another, and it depends on the job.




  
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Jul 07, 2009 16:28 |  #132

Put me down for one of those also...

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what?? no 200-400 f/4L IS?


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Jul 08, 2009 01:14 |  #133

sold my brick, replacing it with some primes

gonna wait and see when the new 24-70L gets released, maybe ill pick it up as a walkaround if the primes wont cut it on a "daily" basis


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Jul 08, 2009 02:04 |  #134
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Coi, next time you spot one, take a photo dude. You'll be famous! :)




  
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Jul 08, 2009 02:09 |  #135

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Coi, next time you spot one, take a photo dude. You'll be famous! :)

i will def try to...1st time i was really caught off guard...:cool:


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