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Kevin ­ Song ­ Photography
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Aug 11, 2009 16:10 |  #1

Hey guys,

So I am new to using flashes (as in very very new). I've seen a bunch of DIY gel holders for the flash, ranging from mounting thingies that gels slide into to simple pieces of velcro.

Any recommendations?

Also, are there special types of gels that I should get, or does it really not matter? Will theater gels (the ones used in live theater on top of Source Fours) work fine, or is there something special about flash gels? There are a bunch of old cut up ones that would work sizewise on a flash, but is there any reason not to use them? Obviously, the color codes are probably different, I'm guessing, but other than that...

Thanks! This is a great place, and this is one of my first non-lurking posts :D

Edit> Maybe they aren't different after all actually. I've read many people using Rosco's gels - http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …EG&addedTroughT​ype=search (external link)

And that happens to be what we use in theater as well. So are they the same?


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Aug 11, 2009 16:16 |  #2

for use with speedlites you can pick up either a rosco or apollo sample book which turns out to be the perfect size for canon flashes :) That gives you a full range of colors to play with. Just keep a little space between the flash lens and the gel so they dont get too hot and melt to the flash. No reason not to use the gels you have though. The codes are really only important if you are trying to gel to match ambient light colors.




  
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Aug 11, 2009 16:35 |  #3

Oooh, I didn't think about the sample booklet fitting perfectly.

We probably have quite a few lying around, but I'll pick up one next time I visit B&H - I'm not about to pay $10 shipping for a $2 product, haha.


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Aug 11, 2009 16:38 |  #4

ksong12 wrote in post #8441544 (external link)
Oooh, I didn't think about the sample booklet fitting perfectly.

We probably have quite a few lying around, but I'll pick up one next time I visit B&H - I'm not about to pay $10 shipping for a $2 product, haha.

Yeah, they were in short supply for a while due to a thread on here promoting this use :) if you search for gel holder on here you can find threads with some DIY options.




  
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Aug 11, 2009 16:43 |  #5

On second thought - does anyone know what size it should be? I don't have my 580 with me right now to measure...

There's 3x5 swatchbooks and 1.75x2.75. Which one? For some reason, the bigger ones are a heck lot more expensive.

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …igner_Color_Sel​ector.html (external link)
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_Roscolux_Swatc​hbook.html (external link)

Also - any DIY gel holder recommendations? I don't want to use velcro if I'm going to be switching colors - that's a lot of velcroing to stick velcro to everything!

My two ideas were either a pair of magnets on each side and stick the gel in between to hold it in place, or building some type of holder, simliar to the ones theater lights use. But I have no idea how magnets might affect the flash - anybody know?

And assuming the gels are the same as the theater gels, I don't think I have to worry about melting and sticking to the flash - theater lights are considerably hotter than my tiny little Speedlite, even if I stuck an external battery pack on and just started blasting it at full power repeatedly - unless I used a really dark color I suppose.


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Aug 11, 2009 22:09 |  #6

ksong12 wrote in post #8441595 (external link)
And assuming the gels are the same as the theater gels, I don't think I have to worry about melting and sticking to the flash - theater lights are considerably hotter than my tiny little Speedlite, even if I stuck an external battery pack on and just started blasting it at full power repeatedly - unless I used a really dark color I suppose.


Too many stories on the other thread about people scraping toasted gel of the front of their speedlite for me not to heed their advice. A couple said the heat buildup damaged the flash instead of the gel. I just got an old knockoff stofen diffuser, cut the front off of it and bend the gels slightly and cup them in there. the arc of the bent gel keeps it off the surface of the flash and I can change colors instantly.




  
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Aug 12, 2009 10:48 |  #7

No toasted flash when you have one of this, this is the one I use, see link below:

http://www.gelholder.c​om/gelholder/ (external link)

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Too many stories on the other thread about people scraping toasted gel of the front of their speedlite for me not to heed their advice.




  
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Aug 12, 2009 11:00 |  #8

Get some heat resistant gels with the elastic (like a hair net) opening to drape over your flash. If you get ones that fit a 6" reflector for studio strobes, you can use them as well draped over your flash. Great stuff and cheap and keeps velcro off your small strobe, if you care about that sort of thing. I like velcro frankly for adhering my PWs to the flash.




  
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Aug 12, 2009 11:12 |  #9

If your a Joe demb flipit user he has a universal gel holder. Works like a charm.


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Aug 12, 2009 14:56 |  #10

AlanU wrote in post #8446167 (external link)
If your a Joe demb flipit user he has a universal gel holder. Works like a charm.

I just got some of these and they are awesome. Free replacements for life too. Kelby talks about them in his newest book - Digital Photography Vol. 3
http://stickyfi.startl​ogic.com/page3.html (external link)


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Aug 15, 2009 23:56 |  #11

Hey, I was actually thinking about trying to make something EXACTLY like that gel holder.com thing!

I just wasn't sure where I'd get that plastic from.

That sticky thing looks pretty interesting. Seems like it wouldn't last too long though. And replacements are always annoying to get, even if they're free. How are they for you?


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Aug 16, 2009 07:24 |  #12

ksong12 wrote in post #8467272 (external link)
Hey, I was actually thinking about trying to make something EXACTLY like that gel holder.com thing!

I just wasn't sure where I'd get that plastic from.

That sticky thing looks pretty interesting. Seems like it wouldn't last too long though. And replacements are always annoying to get, even if they're free. How are they for you?

I thought the SAME thing about the longevity, but they are as good as new. On top of that, they come in a very compact "sleeve" that is simple to use and find what you need. Scott Kelby (who I trust for this kind of stuff) devoted an entire page to Sticky Filters in The Digital Photography Book Vol. 3 (which just came out a couple of weeks ago). That guy doesn't mess around when it comes to equipment :)


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Aug 18, 2009 21:06 |  #13

Hmm interesting!

I'll look into that then. i'm trying to make a gel holder right now, but it's rather difficult without a strip heater, lol.


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Aug 18, 2009 21:16 |  #14

ksong12 wrote in post #8441544 (external link)
Oooh, I didn't think about the sample booklet fitting perfectly.

We probably have quite a few lying around, but I'll pick up one next time I visit B&H - I'm not about to pay $10 shipping for a $2 product, haha.

$10! You guys have it lucky, for Australians we have to pay like $60 shipping for a $2 gel pack :D


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Aug 18, 2009 21:21 |  #15

If you are looking for a holder, you should check out this one. (external link)


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