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If you had the chance to get either 70-200 f2.8 Non-IS or f4 IS

 
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Aug 25, 2009 23:50 |  #1

...which one would you choose?

I know the choice would depend on what would suit ones needs. But I’m still stuck. F2.8 is good incase you would need it in low light situations. That to me is important. However, a monopod/tripod maybe attached to this (want) because it is non-is. I wouldn’t be carrying the lens all day. I’d shoot for 2 - 3 hours max since heavy. But my arms tired easily from trying it out for minutes.

I’ve test out both in lowlight handheld. The f2.8 is heavy and at 30-60 shutter speeds it came out blurry for me(technique?). The F4 IS at same shutter produces decent images. I went low as 10-15 and still non-blurry but the focus seems to search. I realize that dabbling in “L” for mere minutes is not sufficient for me to make an appropriate decision. I would need to have both lenses for a bit. So if any of you have owned both or have had experience with them, your opinions would help.

I’ve placed together some pros and cons : (deja vu for some of yous. Sorry if this is a broken record). I might be missing something

F2.8 NON-IS
Fast
Low light
Action
Heavy
Bulkier
Teleconverter can be placed on and still maintain good aperature
Non-IS
Great Images


F4 IS
Lighter then 2.8
Low light w/IS and w/low shutter. Some argue that it’s not the same as having 2.8
IS
Great Images
Teleconverter but sacrificing aperture
Sharp
Focus searches in low light from my light dabble


Basic body, 50 f1.8, 85 f1.8, 70-200 f2.8 L, 430EX. A 50D or it's replacement in the new year and a revived trigger finger.......would like to also add 135mm f2 near future (maybe)

  
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Aug 25, 2009 23:58 |  #2

Now make a list of all the different types of situations in which you plan to use the lens. I think that would help with your decision. After owning both the 2.8 and 4, I kept the f/4 IS version. I rarely need 2.8 and I like the lighter version.


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Aug 26, 2009 00:07 |  #3

I would also pick the 4is as it is a lot more flexible in it's uses. The 7-200 2.8 will spend a lot more time in your bag.
Hands down, F4 IS unless you are only going to be using for fast sports action. Again, please note the "Only" :)


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Aug 26, 2009 00:11 |  #4

Jeff81 wrote in post #8524087 (external link)
Now make a list of all the different types of situations in which you plan to use the lens. I think that would help with your decision. After owning both the 2.8 and 4, I kept the f/4 IS version. I rarely need 2.8 and I like the lighter version.

I'd be using it for :
Outdoors for nature
Kids (out and indoors)
Family events (out and indoors)
I know its long for indoors but it is possible is space allows.


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Aug 26, 2009 00:14 |  #5

iqbal624 wrote in post #8524134 (external link)
I would also pick the 4is as it is a lot more flexible in it's uses. The 7-200 2.8 will spend a lot more time in your bag.
Hands down, F4 IS unless you are only going to be using for fast sports action. Again, please note the "Only" :)

Thanks! What is your experience with it indoors?


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Aug 26, 2009 00:38 |  #6

-OutofFocus- wrote in post #8524150 (external link)
I'd be using it for :
Outdoors for nature
Kids (out and indoors)
Family events (out and indoors)
I know its long for indoors but it is possible is space allows.

Reading this i 100% backup my suggestion to get the F4IS.

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Thanks! What is your experience with it indoors?

I had a 70-200 2.8 Non-IS and I just didn't use it very much indoors because there was not enough light to get the shutter speed I needed to get no-hand shake. I did use it for indoor swim pictures which it worked wonders for!
I have never owned the 7-200 F4IS but now i have the 2.8IS and I have on occasion thought of "downgrading" to the F4 IS but I would never go back to the 2.8 non-is as having the IS makes it great for portraits and family shots, especially indoors where you can't get the shutter speed up to 1/200th easily...


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Aug 26, 2009 21:19 |  #7

iqbal624 wrote in post #8524236 (external link)
.....I had a 70-200 2.8 Non-IS and I just didn't use it very much indoors because there was not enough light to get the shutter speed I needed to get no-hand shake. I did use it for indoor swim pictures which it worked wonders for!
I have never owned the 7-200 F4IS but now i have the 2.8IS and I have on occasion thought of "downgrading" to the F4 IS but I would never go back to the 2.8 non-is as having the IS makes it great for portraits and family shots, especially indoors where you can't get the shutter speed up to 1/200th easily...

This is exciting as I have a 70-200 non-IS coming in! I'm going to use it specifically for our karate school's pictures. With the lower lighting and action, I'm excited to pick up some decent stop-action karate shots. There's still a part of me that still wants to pick up the 70-200 2.8IS, but I think I"ll be good for awhile. For the portraits and family shots, I've been playing with the 85 1.8, but I do like how the 60mm macro does portraits too. I am seeing an upgrade to my 28-135 kit lens in the horizons. Maybe a 24-70, but I'm thinking the 17-55.

Anyway, for my uses (indoor sports and general shots), I think the 2.8 non-is will do well alongside my other lenses. The price of the f4 really is tempting, but I'd rather have the 2.8 due to the lighting. Hopefully, it'll arrive tomorrow!


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Aug 26, 2009 22:39 |  #8

The decision for me would come down to IS.
70-200 f/4 IS.


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Aug 26, 2009 22:43 as a reply to  @ Nick5's post |  #9

eh...i'm not sold on the IS - have been using it for years and still I'm not convinced that it delivers what it is promising...

F4 to f2.8 is twice as much light, my friend...


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Aug 26, 2009 23:07 as a reply to  @ greazyjungle's post |  #10

Both the 70-200mm f/2.8L (which I will refer to as the f/2.8L) and the 70-200mm f/4L IS (which I will refer to as the f/4L IS) are excellent lenses. The fact that the f/4L IS has slightly better IQ should not be a consideration because I doubt that you will ever notice the difference between these two lenses in real life shooting.I will compare the f/2.8L (non-IS) lens with the f/4L IS since these two lenses are very close in price and differ mainly in the following three considerations.The extra stop of the f/2.8 along with the shorter depth of field this f/stop allowsThe difference in weight.The IS capability of the f/4L IS.APERTUREThe f/2.8 aperture will allow you one stop faster shutter speed which may or may not make a difference in shooting. It will also allow you a slightly narrower DOF which may allow you to isolate specific subjects but, which is also has a fairly steep learning curve.As an example, the total depth of field when shooting at 10 feet with a 200mm focal length at f/2.8 is .96 inches. That is a pretty slim margin but, even at 20 feet, the DOF is fairly narrow: less than four inches. That might be difficult, at least at the start, to work with.You CAN use a 2X TC on an f/2.8L lens and cannot use one with an f/4L IS on a 1.6x camera and retain autofocus. However, IMO and in my experience, the f/2.8L + 2X TC is not a good option for many photo situations. The A/F and IQ are degraded for too much for my taste in any type of shooting.In low light levels, the extra stop of the f/2.8L might not be enough to allow a shutter speed capable of stopping action. However, IMO, in those light levels, an f/2 prime would be the way to go.In decent light levels, f/4 is plenty sufficient. In fact, shooting at f/2.8 is good for specific shots when you want to isolate a subject. Using ISO 400 (which a Canon DSLR has no problems with) your daylight shutter speed would be in the area of 1/6,400 second which will stop virtually any action. However, I suspect, that except for isolating subjects, you may want to shoot at around f/8 to get a wider depth of field. That would give you a shutter speed of 1/1,600 second with either lens.WEIGHTThe difference in weight may be a critical concern. The f/2.8L weighs over a pound more than the f/4L IS (2.8 lbs vs. 1.7 lbs). This can be a major factor when carrying the lens all day or when hand holding this lens. It may not be as much of a factor when shooting sports because photographers often will use a monopod when shooting sports. However, I find that 200mm is on the short side for much sports photography and will use the 70-200mm lens as an adjunct to a 300mm or 400mm lens which I will have on a monopod or tripod. I will use the 70-200mm on a strap when I need a wider view and will normally hand hold this lens.NOTE: Professional sports photographers seldom rely on a 70-200mm lens as their main lens. They will often shoot with a 300mm or 400mm lens on a monopod and simply use the 70-200mm lens hand-held when they need a wider angle of view. See this series of UTube videos by Scott Sewell for a great explanation of the uses of lenses in shooting sports. BTW: Scott uses a 70-200mm f/2.8 IS lens as his shorter telephoto glass.

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The extra pound or so of the f/2.8 really makes a difference when carrying two lenses and two cameras for a day of shooting and also makes a difference hand holding at the end of the day. I can carry an f/4L IS lens AND AN ADDITIONAL 1.6x CAMERA for the weight of the f/2.8L lens alone.

The f/4L IS lens is easier for me to hand-hold at the end of a long day of shooting because it is lighter and smaller than the f/2.8L lens.IS CAPABILITY (hand holding)I can hand hold my f/4L IS lens in lower light levels than I can, an f/2.8L lens. At 200mm, I can expect virtually 100% sharp images at 1/60 second using f/4 and if I shoot at 1/30 second, I can still get a fairly decent percentage of sharp shots. I could never get 100% hand held sharp shots using 1/120 second at f/2.8 and I could get NO sharp shots hand holding the f/2.8 at 1/60 second.Much is said about IS not stopping action, however if you cannot hand hold a sharp overall image, it doesn’t make any difference.There are many moving or sports subjects which can be captured at slower shutter speeds. Shooting at the peak of the action is one method. There are also many times you can get sports or other action related shots when the subjects are not moving at all. Two of the greatest sports images of all time, Lou Gehrig’s farewell speech and Babe Ruth’s retirement were not moving.Additionally, an image that is sharp overall except for the blur of a player is often an effective way to show motion and an image that is fuzzy throughout due to camera shake is pretty well useless.

The Mode-2 of the f/4L IS lens allows panning to achieve a sharp subject with a very blurred background.MY SELECTIONI do not shoot sports exclusively and I want a lens which I can use in virtually 100% of my shooting. Having a lens that I would leave at home because I consider it too heavy to carry is not an option for me. I believe that I am not alone in this choice because I have read multiple posts in which photographers are stating that they are leaving their f/2.8L lenses at home when traveling. I have never read a post like that about the f/4L IS lens and I have never left the lens at home when I took a trip. Like the AMEX commercial used to say; “Don’t leave home without it!”The combination of the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and my f4L IS lenses on two 1.6x cameras is the best camera/lens combo I have used in 50 years of active photography


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Aug 26, 2009 23:15 |  #11

Hmmmm....interesting question, and brings back bad memories.

I was in the same boat as you about 18months ago. However, in my case, I already had a 70-300mm IS which pretty much made the 70-200mm /f4 IS a "double-up" of lenses and so I went with the "speedy" 70-200 f/2.8 (non-IS).

As others have noted, it's a big meaty lens........and spends a lot of time sitting in my bag...but no way would I swap it for the 70-200 f/4 IS.......unless of course I lost my 70-300 IS.

But for now, it comes out every January at the Medibank Private International tennis tournament.....and that is when I make use of the "speed".


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Aug 27, 2009 00:04 |  #12

RP, excellent write up

Im pondering the same question and was sent on getting the 2.8 non IS (when/if my motorcycle actually sells!), but now you guys have me second guessing myself


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Aug 27, 2009 00:10 |  #13

i have owned the 2.8 IS from the get. I did try the F4. I can't really tell the difference. maybe my copy is sharp. I won't ever get rid of the 70-200 2.8 IS that I have right now.


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Aug 27, 2009 00:14 as a reply to  @ mxracer535's post |  #14

I'd be using it for :
Outdoors for nature
Kids (out and indoors)
Family events (out and indoors)
I know its long for indoors but it is possible is space allows.

For what the original post plans on shooting, I would say go for the 70-200 2.8 L.


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Aug 27, 2009 00:20 |  #15

If you use flash the f/4 IS should do fine indoors, unless you're planning on using it in extremely large rooms or in rooms where flash isn't allowed. It's so sharp wide open that i usually keep it at f/4 indoors and use flash.


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