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7d means the end of the xxD series?

 
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Aug 31, 2009 17:52 |  #46

Body only: roughly ....
US prices....
5Dmkii:$2600-2700 (FF)
7D priced between $1800-2000 (Crop 1.6x)
60D priced $1200-1600. (Crop 1.6x)

this seems pretty reasonable.


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Aug 31, 2009 19:11 |  #47

apersson850 wrote in post #8550669 (external link)
Why? If you aren't going to buy it, it will hardly bother you. If you do like to buy it, it's nice that it exists.

Well, mainly to reduce confusion to the end user... and to push the rebel xxxD line into that space as the bottom rung (~$500 body pricing).

Then canon can focus on reducing costs w/ one less line of cameras to maintain =) Or I guess put the xxxxD into the $300 body range, but I wonder if we'll get to this point anytime in the next 5yrs.

This goes for their powershot line too, It feels like they have way too many choices to confuse consumers.




  
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Aug 31, 2009 19:22 |  #48

randomlinh wrote in post #8557494 (external link)
Well, mainly to reduce confusion to the end user... and to push the rebel xxxD line into that space as the bottom rung (~$500 body pricing).

Then canon can focus on reducing costs w/ one less line of cameras to maintain =) [...]

I don't think confusion among end users is such a big deal. Customers love having more choices from which to pick (in spite of any possible confusion this may entail), and smart customers do their research before purchasing to determine what product best meets their needs at a good value. This is especially true of those moving up from P&S to SLR for the first time. They come to places like this forum to ask questions and get informed about their choices.

As far as costs go, I'm pretty sure Canon gets a larger return on sales of the Rebel lines (both xxxD and xxxxD) than their higher end, semi-pro or professional camera lines. I'm pretty sure their marketing strategy is set to optimize returns and stay level with he competition. The Rebels aren't going anywhere.


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Aug 31, 2009 20:48 |  #49

krepta wrote in post #8557547 (external link)
I don't think confusion among end users is such a big deal. Customers love having more choices from which to pick (in spite of any possible confusion this may entail), and smart customers do their research before purchasing to determine what product best meets their needs at a good value. This is especially true of those moving up from P&S to SLR for the first time. They come to places like this forum to ask questions and get informed about their choices.

As far as costs go, I'm pretty sure Canon gets a larger return on sales of the Rebel lines (both xxxD and xxxxD) than their higher end, semi-pro or professional camera lines. I'm pretty sure their marketing strategy is set to optimize returns and stay level with he competition. The Rebels aren't going anywhere.

true, consumers love choice, but it's so frustrating to see them at best buy (or any shop) when they have too many =)

And by no means do I want the rebel line to go away, just the XS branch ;) Actually, I think it has more to do w/ how closely priced it is to the XSi at the time. I'd like to see less things be so close together in pricing.




  
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Aug 31, 2009 21:08 |  #50

randomlinh wrote in post #8558085 (external link)
And by no means do I want the rebel line to go away, just the XS branch ;) Actually, I think it has more to do w/ how closely priced it is to the XSi at the time. I'd like to see less things be so close together in pricing.

To be honest I was surprised when Canon first launched the XS. I thought the same way, why another Rebel line? But I see now that it is a good strategy. For those of us spending thousands on pro-sumer bodies and good glass, a few hundred dollars difference might not seem too significant, but for the amateur just beginning to get involved a little more into photography as a serious hobby, having the choice of a (brand new) body at $500-$600 versus $800-$900 can make a huge difference. At $500-$600, it's a much easier step-up from their $250-$300 P&S camera than going straight to $800-$900.

Reducing the pricing gap between camera lines at the bottom levels helps ease in new customers who will stick with the brand. Canon is counting on this strategy to increase sales volume and create brand loyalty. If they are happy with their XS (etc.), they might next move up to a new T1i, or a used 40D, etc. As long as each step is smaller, there is increased incentive to move up the ladder, and stay on this ladder! Then, these people become fanatics like us at the forum whining about all the things we wish Canon would do, but still spending money (for the most part*) on this very same brand, because we already have so much vested in it (in lenses, accessories, and so on). And that is exactly what Canon wants!

*some leave, but there are defecters and whiners on every side.


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Aug 31, 2009 22:20 |  #51

60D is said to be back on 18 month cycle, so look for it in Spring. 60D will be competing against the d90 and even the 50D is better than the d90 although it doesn't have video but the 60D will have video.




  
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Sep 01, 2009 08:17 |  #52

HappySnapper90 wrote in post #8558669 (external link)
60D is said to be back on 18 month cycle, so look for it in Spring. 60D will be competing against the d90 and even the 50D is better than the d90 although it doesn't have video but the 60D will have video.

who said?
with the 7d at $1699, i'm guessing the no 60D.


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Sep 01, 2009 09:58 |  #53

azpix wrote in post #8561203 (external link)
who said?
with the 7d at $1699, i'm guessing the no 60D.

60D $1099.




  
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Sep 01, 2009 10:50 |  #54

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #8561782 (external link)
60D $1099.

I Agree, it think it would be silly to have:

1000D: $500 (MSRP)
500D: $800
BIG GAP
7D $1700

Wouldn't it make more sense to throw a $1100 body in that hole there for the people who want more than a rebel, but don't need 8fps and have a hard time with the $1700 price tag? I guess they could just leave the 50D around until it is totally obsolete and the 7D is in that price bracket (And then releaske the 7Dmk2)


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Sep 01, 2009 16:29 |  #55

So why 7D and not 70D

I first thought that it would be an upgrade to the 5D II, then realized if 1D is top, then a 3D would be in between a 5D and a 1D

So why did they jump to 7D, are they saying it is a little brother to a 5D as opposed to a big brother of a 50D?

Being APS-C it would seem to be more in the 10-20-30-40-50D family




  
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Sep 01, 2009 16:31 as a reply to  @ DerekW's post |  #56

I think the auto focus puts it in a class above the xxD series.
I not making any claims to how good it is, just a pure observation.

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Sep 01, 2009 16:32 as a reply to  @ DerekW's post |  #57

I agree with that




  
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Sep 01, 2009 16:33 as a reply to  @ DerekW's post |  #58

"So why 7D and not 70D "

Why so many 7D threads!


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Sep 01, 2009 16:33 as a reply to  @ DerekW's post |  #59

Im suspecting the AF system on the 60D will be improved also.


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Sep 01, 2009 16:34 |  #60

DerekW wrote in post #8564451 (external link)
I first thought that it would be an upgrade to the 5D II, then realized if 1D is top, then a 3D would be in between a 5D and a 1D

So why did they jump to 7D, are they saying it is a little brother to a 5D as opposed to a big brother of a 50D?

Being APS-C it would seem to be more in the 10-20-30-40-50D family

The 7D is meant to be between the XXD and the 1D series with similar build quality to the 5DII. Basically, it's a direct competitor to Nikon's D300s...a semi-pro action camera with a 1.6 crop.


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