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Scott Kelby -The Truth About Lenses - Fixed- Length Prime Lenses Vs. Zooms

 
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Sep 06, 2009 06:48 |  #226

happy hopping wrote in post #8592604 (external link)
in the above comparison, it looks like the zoom lens is sharper.

You may want to recheck that. The prime is definitely sharper, as you would expect at 2 stops below its max. aperture compared to the zoom wide open.

happy hopping wrote in post #8592604 (external link)
anyhoo, kelby doesn't use canon professional lens, so whatever he said, can't apply to the canon professional lens. And nikon doesn't make professional lens.

Come again?


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Sep 06, 2009 06:51 |  #227

He has part of it backwards...hence I refute most of his statements entirely.
Lenses are more important then religion.


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Sep 06, 2009 06:57 |  #228

ConDigital wrote in post #8592715 (external link)
Thats just utter rubbish.

Feel free to dispute my comment on a factual basis, but just calling it rubbish merely exposes a lack of analytic and conversational skills. As does echoing someone else's opinion in a debate.


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Sep 06, 2009 06:59 |  #229

bubba zanetti wrote in post #8581342 (external link)
I have the view that if you need to zoom then you hav'nt worked out what you wanted to do in the first place.

I first read this thread today. The quote above is, to me, very significant in that the versatility of a zoom allows me to choose the position from which to make an image and then frame the image the way I had envisioned. This is something that often cannot be done (at least without compromise) if a photographer is using only "prime" lenses.

For those who do not understand what I am talking about, please read our "sticky" tutorial titled Perspective Control in Images - Focal Length or Distance?. You will learn why, if you want to optimize composition, it's best to first select the position for the camera (relative to the subject matter) to control the perspective and then choose the focal length for framing.

The reason that I chose three "L" series zoom lenses when I bought my 20D is so that I would have the flexibility to frame my images as I imagined them - from the position that looked the best for the image as I imagined it.

The four "prime" lenses that I used for my Nikon F cameras just did not give me the flexibility that I pined for. However, in the mid 1960s there were no affordable high quality constant-aperture zoom lenses available. Thus I went with the series of "primes" then.


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Sep 06, 2009 07:31 |  #230

SkipD wrote in post #8592742 (external link)
I first read this thread today. The quote above is, to me, very significant in that the versatility of a zoom allows me to choose the position from which to make an image and then frame the image the way I had envisioned. This is something that often cannot be done (at least without compromise) if a photographer is using only "prime" lenses.

For those who do not understand what I am talking about, please read our "sticky" tutorial titled Perspective Control in Images - Focal Length or Distance?. You will learn why, if you want to optimize composition, it's best to first select the position for the camera (relative to the subject matter) to control the perspective and then choose the focal length for framing.

The reason that I chose three "L" series zoom lenses when I bought my 20D is so that I would have the flexibility to frame my images as I imagined them - from the position that looked the best for the image as I imagined it.

The four "prime" lenses that I used for my Nikon F cameras just did not give me the flexibility that I pined for. However, in the mid 1960s there were no affordable high quality constant-aperture zoom lenses available. Thus I went with the series of "primes" then.

Yeah, I've tried to make that point over and again...pointing out that 45 years ago no pro used zooms let alone AF, and few used built-in metering...

...also making the case, however, that many people lazily zoom FIRST to crop and then shoot without considering whether the position is best...rather than finding the right position FIRST and then zooming....

Hence my contention that primes FORCE a photographer to find the best position before shooting...but as you said quite well, in those cases, one often makes a compromise because the "best" position with the prime might not be so with that fixed focal length...

Ergo, my encouraging the use (on several threads) of 3 adjacent focal lenghs (18/24/35/50/85/105/13​5/200/300) in the TRINITY of lenses...I think THAT develops a better sense of how to use and take advantage of the options zooms provide....


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Sep 06, 2009 09:19 as a reply to  @ kitacanon's post |  #231

Kit and Skip I prefer primes. They work better for the way I shoot. I think Skip really makes a great point in the fact an experienced photographer that has spent a good deal of time with primes bring different experience and LEARNED skill sets to the table and is important when they use zooms, that someone that has only used zooms my not have learned. For me I find primes liberating and there is not just ONE right perspective or composition for any one image. Learning to see at a certain focal length can be a great gift and can be a huge help even when using a zoom. I think Skip would say being forced to use primes only for a while made him a much better photographer and even if he uses zooms now those lessons were extremely valuable.




  
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Sep 06, 2009 10:56 |  #232
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happy hopping wrote in post #8592604 (external link)
in the above comparison, it looks like the zoom lens is sharper.

anyhoo, kelby doesn't use canon professional lens, so whatever he said, can't apply to the canon professional lens. And nikon doesn't make professional lens.

I thinked you hopped one to many times and bumped your head...:rolleyes:


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Sep 06, 2009 11:01 |  #233

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Go to the audiophile forums and read about cables & interconnects for this thread on steroids. That being said, primes rule!

I've always thought the that audiophile debate hinged on whether or not the listener had above-average hearing -or- devices which would actually detect the differences. (Once proper shielding is in play)

For the rest *popcorn* is on the stove.........


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Sep 06, 2009 11:04 |  #234

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in the above comparison, it looks like the zoom lens is sharper.

The zoom is not as sharp at 2.8;):lol:




  
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Sep 06, 2009 11:08 |  #235

happy hopping wrote in post #8592604 (external link)
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …&SampleComp=0&F​LI=0&API=3 (external link)

in the above comparison, it looks like the zoom lens is sharper.

It clearly does not look that way.

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And nikon doesn't make professional lens.

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Sep 06, 2009 11:10 |  #236

^^ Nikon makes some EXCELLENT pro lenses, they're just more expensive than Canon.

I wish Canon had a 200-400 f/4 IS L!


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ConDigital wrote in post #8592715 (external link)
Thats just utter rubbish.

Actually its not, i think most people in this thread agree.


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Sep 06, 2009 11:15 |  #238

Scott Kelby has seen thousands and thousands of photos taken from all types of gear.

He's got a valid point, because most people would not notice any difference.

Yet, there is no substitute for aperture, and f/1.x primes have that -- Besides technical sharpness is overrated..........


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Sep 06, 2009 11:18 |  #239

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^^ Nikon makes some EXCELLENT pro lenses, they're just more expensive than Canon.

I wish Canon had a 200-400 f/4 IS L!

Not all the time

http://www.adorama.com …earchinfo=nikon​+200+f%2f2 (external link)

http://www.adorama.com …L?searchinfo=ca​non+200+2L (external link)

The 200 2L is more than the Nikon 200 2




  
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Sep 06, 2009 11:20 |  #240

ConDigital wrote in post #8592396 (external link)
I think that's a bit of a put down of Scott Kelby. He is in my opinion, much more than just a photoshop guru.

But anyway, comments like yours just reinforce to me, just how spot on he really was with the excerpt that was posted from one of his published works.

OK, he has also written a bit about the technical aspects of photography; however, with statements like that, I wonder how many other wrong opinions he's wrapped up as fact.

Published? I searched "Photoshop CS4" on Amazon and 203 results came up. There are many, many ways for ambitious people to be published these days.


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