Shouldn't Canon have a FF camera with built in flash?

Sure, built in flashes dont compare with an external unit, but still... What if you dont want to walk aroundwith an extra flash? What if its dark and you need to document something?
Isn't just the possibility of using fill flash on a face in a sunny day reason enough for Canon to offer a non cropped camera body with built in flash?

Do you people who walk around with 5Ds or 1ds, ever miss the builtinflash? Nothing fancy just a very a simple little extra light source?

I for one envy people with Nikon D700's.
I also think Canon may be loosing customer who enjoy the convenience of a built in flash and like FF sensors.

Just a bit curious.

It's hard to understand Canon's target market sometimes. They put a [GREEN BOX] mode on the 5D but not a pop-up flash. I'm not sure who they were trying to sell to.

But if you really want a built-in flash unit, Canon has plenty of great cameras to choose from.

Canon's philosophy is...the problem will resolve itself.

By the time you start moving to FF cameras, and really spending some $$ on like 5D/1D bodies don't you think it's silly to be using a pop-up flash? Just my thought =/

then again Curtis..you have a point =)

I definately see your point as far as why should it be missing. My guess would be that most pop up flashes are not that great, so if you are going to be shooting a 5D or 1D, use a solid external versus something that is going to overexpose the shots since it is always a direct flash.

A pop up can be used quite effectively as a fill.

Maybe they could add one with a firmware tweak?

I love those snobby remarks such as "don't you think silly to use popup flash on super-duper FF camera"! For some reasons Nikon D700 has it, so Nikon don't think this way about their entry level FF camera (which 5D is as well).
Popup flash is VERY useful tool. First of all, don't forget the 5D doesn't have focus assist lamp (as well as all other Canons) and since it also doesn't have flash we are meeting a problem with focusing in dim light without using huge additional device on top of the camera.
The second use - fill light, even for shooting during sunny day to avoid shadows. I bet you'll not bring full size flash with you on a beach. As a result - long shadows under noses on photos.
And the third one, which became possible in 7D: wireless transmitter in multi-flashes configuration. So, you don't need to waste expensive 580EXII by using it as a transmitter and do not need to buy an expensive transmitter either.

I was seriously thinking about moving to 5DII but two reasons stopped me, and the first one was absence of the popup flash (the second is crappy AF). So, I am buying 7D instead.

sunking39 wrote in post #8628963
Sure, built in flashes dont compare with an external unit, but still... What if you dont want to walk aroundwith an extra flash? What if its dark and you need to document something?
Isn't just the possibility of using fill flash on a face in a sunny day reason enough for Canon to offer a non cropped camera body with built in flash?

Do you people who walk around with 5Ds or 1ds, ever miss the builtinflash? Nothing fancy just a very a simple little extra light source?

I for one envy people with Nikon D700's.
I also think Canon may be loosing customer who enjoy the convenience of a built in flash and like FF sensors.

Just a bit curious.

then that's the camera you should get. neither of my cameras have built in flashes. and my 5d didn't have a built in flash.

what all three of these cameras i've owned have in common is they are all excellent at hi-ISOs.

i've only used the built in flash a few times on any DSLR that i've owned and i've generally hated the results. in fact i can't think of one picture that i've kept over the years that was taken with built in flash.

so i guess i'm not a fan and i'm glad the three best canon DSLRs i've owned didn't have the feature.

if i wanted a camera with built in flash i would buy one. there are plenty out there .

ed rader

I use the popup on my 30D. Not all the time, but there are situations where it's useful. Even paid work.

A couple real life examples from a wedding this summer:

1. Catamarans. Walking around on a catamaran is hard enough. Walking around on a catamaran with too much gear is ridiculous. It's close quarters. A Guide No. of 192 feet is overnutskill.

2. Waterfalls. Climbing a waterfall tourist spot is hard enough. Climbing a waterfall tourist spot with too much gear is ridiculous. It's not close quarters, but I ain't doing it at night so all I need is fill. Besides, if I slip and fall in the liquidy goodness better known as GEAR POISON, I'd rather kill a 30D and Sigma 12-24* than a 1D II and a 24-70L and 580EX II.

*which reminds me, I need to get an EF-S 18-55.

i don`t remember when the last time i use internal flash on my 40D

Of course. A high tech'ed FF rebel with no green box. But $ is unfortunatly pri 1.

With 100% viewfinder as well.

In a word NO.

I've read somewhere that maybe the prism/viewfinder on FF is a bit large to fit the built-in flash in there?