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Sep 24, 2009 13:45 |  #16
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G9 at 1600.... http://a.img-dpreview.com …s2/originals/im​g_1508.jpg (external link)

Like night and day....


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Sep 24, 2009 13:54 as a reply to  @ CJinAustin's post |  #17

As between the S90 and G11, I think that once we see head to head comparisons in controlled conditions, they will both prove to be kicka** point and shoots. I prefer the G11 because of the view finder.


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Sep 24, 2009 15:33 |  #18

CJinAustin wrote in post #8702507 (external link)
G9 at 1600.... http://a.img-dpreview.com …s2/originals/im​g_1508.jpg (external link)

Like night and day....

To be fair, the G9 listerine shot appears to be in genuinely low light, where the G11 portrait was in fairly decent light. I'd like to see side by side in same lighting.


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Sep 24, 2009 16:06 |  #19
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tkbslc wrote in post #8703111 (external link)
To be fair, the G9 listerine shot appears to be in genuinely low light, where the G11 portrait was in fairly decent light. I'd like to see side by side in same lighting.

Well in the G9 shot it was set at F3.5 at 1/80 sec
In the G11 shot it was at F4.5 at 1/30 sec.

Those are fairly close exposures,,, going off of those numbers I would say the G9 had more light but who knows....


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Sep 24, 2009 16:12 |  #20

CJinAustin wrote in post #8703283 (external link)
Well in the G9 shot it was set at F3.5 at 1/80 sec
In the G11 shot it was at F4.5 at 1/30 sec.

Those are fairly close exposures,,, going off of those numbers I would say the G9 had more light but who knows....

Hmm, didn't check the EXIF even, so I guess you are right. Still want to see a real side by side test as there are a ton of variables. Would also like to see what a G9 shot with gobs of NR looks like in comparison.


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Sep 24, 2009 16:13 |  #21
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Sep 24, 2009 19:06 |  #23

tkbslc wrote in post #8702270 (external link)
If you think any G-series compact has ever compared IQ wise to any SLR Canon has made, then you have been mislead.

But regardless, compare the base ISO outdoor images to some of Canon's older cameras. I feel like the base ISO on the g11 and S90 samples lack life and just seem, for lack of a better word, blah. I am feeling like Canon is starting to let base ISO quality slide in an aattempt to get workable high ISO out of a compact.

It's obvious that the higher ISO images are better than they have ever been on any G series camera. Aside from their usual marketing games, Canon should be commended for taking a step back in megapixels to extract better high ISO performance and dynamic range from a small sensor camera.

Why is it that everyone has to compare the G series to the DSLRs and always detract from a very fine performance by an excellent compact? Is it to justify to oneself the extra expense of the DSLR and the required lens investments? I shoot with DSLRs and compacts. Both have their place, but you have to admit, there are sometimes when the image quality from a compact, especially the G series, can rival that of even mid-level SLRs.

Accept it. There will be a time when the compacts will rival the quality of 35mm DSLRs, and the G11 is solidly well on its way.

As for the base ISO images appearing "blah", well that's easily dealt with by adjusting in-camera contrast and saturation. Something one should do anyway to achieve their favorite "look".


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Sep 24, 2009 23:11 |  #24

arg245 wrote in post #8704134 (external link)
Why is it that everyone has to compare the G series to the DSLRs and always detract from a very fine performance by an excellent compact? ".

Why are you asking me, I wasn't the one starting the SLR comparisons. My comments were only about base ISO as compared to older cameras (that sucked at high ISO). I think they are just shifting sensitivity so that base ISO suffers so the high ISO can be better.


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Sep 25, 2009 07:33 |  #25

tkbslc wrote in post #8705291 (external link)
Why are you asking me, I wasn't the one starting the SLR comparisons. My comments were only about base ISO as compared to older cameras (that sucked at high ISO). I think they are just shifting sensitivity so that base ISO suffers so the high ISO can be better.

I'm not asking you. I merely quoted your comments. My statements are general in nature and not directed at you. At least, that was the intent.

That being said, I would agree with your comment about Canon shifting sensitivity in favor of higher ISO performance, but the fact that they have lowered the pixel density of the sensor would improve higher ISO performance to a much greater degree than shifting the sensitivity. I think it was a good move.

On another note, I still believe Canon is playing marketing games. I'll bet they could have moved the G11 to a CMOS sensor, and included high def video, but they are holding out on us. Like I said, marketing games. Guess we'll have to wait until the G12 or G13 comes out.

By the way, this statement IS directed at YOU: Nice job on your Zenfolio gallery. You have some excellent birding and landscapes shots. Love the B/W moon.


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Sep 25, 2009 10:54 |  #26

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GLOBS

Sorry, I don't understand the GLOBS statement. I do notice the reduced noise, so is this a reference to the process you used??

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Sep 25, 2009 11:21 |  #27

Tee Why wrote in post #8702399 (external link)
Is it me or does the s90 images look better?
Here is a similar shot at ISO 1600. The exposure is brighter but the resolution seems greater and the noise less.
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I would think the same sensor and processor should give the same results.

s90 has the faster lens. So not surprised.


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Sep 25, 2009 11:25 |  #28

Guys, canon do not make their own P&S ccd sensors. Taking a step back on the mp is simply a matter of Sony releasing a new better CCD with a lower MP. Just watch next revision of this ccd will most likely have increased MP and you'd get a g12 released...

arg245 wrote in post #8704134 (external link)
It's obvious that the higher ISO images are better than they have ever been on any G series camera. Aside from their usual marketing games, Canon should be commended for taking a step back in megapixels to extract better high ISO performance and dynamic range from a small sensor camera.

Why is it that everyone has to compare the G series to the DSLRs and always detract from a very fine performance by an excellent compact? Is it to justify to oneself the extra expense of the DSLR and the required lens investments? I shoot with DSLRs and compacts. Both have their place, but you have to admit, there are sometimes when the image quality from a compact, especially the G series, can rival that of even mid-level SLRs.

Accept it. There will be a time when the compacts will rival the quality of 35mm DSLRs, and the G11 is solidly well on its way.

As for the base ISO images appearing "blah", well that's easily dealt with by adjusting in-camera contrast and saturation. Something one should do anyway to achieve their favorite "look".


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Sep 25, 2009 11:56 |  #29

arg245 wrote in post #8706536 (external link)
By the way, this statement IS directed at YOU: Nice job on your Zenfolio gallery. You have some excellent birding and landscapes shots. Love the B/W moon.

Thank you, that is very kind.


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tkbslc wrote in post #8703312 (external link)
Would also like to see what a G9 shot with gobs of NR looks like in comparison.

denncald wrote in post #8707539 (external link)
Sorry, I don't understand the GLOBS statement. I do notice the reduced noise, so is this a reference to the process you used??

thanks,
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Meant to say Gobs...


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