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24-105 F/4L??? I DIDNT DO MY RESEARCH BEFORE I BOUGHT 70-200 F/4 L!! :(

 
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Sep 25, 2009 11:13 |  #46

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From what I have read from your guys in depth responses, has helped me to decide not to put more $$$ into it until im 1) understand my gear and basics and 2) i make money to invest more money.

For now, I will use my 18-55 Canon KIT lens and my 70-200 for practice.
If I do get weddings, and i understand everything thoroughly from my research and your responses, I will rent from HENRYS all the appropriate gear to compensate for no flash, backup, etc etc.

If you had to have 1 lens, would it be the 24-105 L or 70-200 L on an XSI?

17-55 IS.

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Sep 25, 2009 11:17 |  #47

djpal wrote in post #8707650 (external link)
If you had to have 1 lens, would it be the 24-105 L or 70-200 L on an XSI?

They are made for completely different focal length ranges and uses. May as well be asking whether you want a 50mm or a 500mm.

Of only those two, the 24-105 sounds like it would be of better use to you. Though I'd be happy with either. :lol: ;)


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Sep 25, 2009 11:17 as a reply to  @ post 8707650 |  #48

Neither.

On a crop body like the XSi
The 70-200 is too narrow as a walkaround.
The 24-105 is not wide enough for me

I would pick up a Tamron 17-50 2.8
I would also keep the 70-200 for when I needed the extra reach (and lord knows the price of those bad boys only go up).


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Sep 25, 2009 11:20 |  #49

Hi djpal, you seem like a nice person. I think your missing alot of good recommendations that have been posted. Many have recommended the 17-55mm f2.8 IS lens, but it seems like your mind is set on the 24-105L. It is a great lens and really shines on a FF camera. But I think you would not be asking your question, if you understood a little more about f-stops and how they effect shutter speed, and maybe had a better grasp about what FOV you get with certain focal lengths.

FWIW, most are suggesting the 17-55 2.8IS over the 24-105l beacuse its faster (2.8 vs 4) and wider (17 vs 24). Personally I did not like the build of the 17-55, but if I only had a crop camera, thats the zoom lens I would choose.

It sounds like your in a hurry. You have the 18-55. Is it wide enough? Fast enough? Answer these questions and it will probably help you decide your next lens. Go out and shoot with what you got and study your results.


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Sep 25, 2009 11:28 |  #50

I AM GOING TO BE VERY BLUNT....

I strongly advise you to get more experience/knowledge regarding photography in general and wedding photography specifically before you ever attempt to shoot a wedding.

Wedding photography is a difficult enough job when you are totally competent regarding all your equipment. However, if you are inexperienced enough to first think that the 70-200mm lens might be a choice for general wedding photography; you are definitely too inexperienced to attempt your first job as a primary photographer.


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Sep 25, 2009 11:40 as a reply to  @ RPCrowe's post |  #51

if you think deciding on a lens is complicated, just wait till you start looking into flash :p


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Sep 25, 2009 11:43 |  #52

djpal wrote in post #8707650 (external link)
If you had to have 1 lens, would it be the 24-105 L or 70-200 L on an XSI?

Keep the 70-200, use it along side your 18-55 IS kit lens. The kit lens is quite good for what it is. The 70-200 is fantastic I think once you learn it's uses you will want to keep it... rent a 17-55 f/2.8 IS and try shooting with it indoors, it's awsome.


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Sep 25, 2009 11:50 |  #53

djpal wrote in post #8707533 (external link)
I am trying to find lenses used. It'll save me money and get me started in the right direction you guys are advising. I'm trying to save up for the EOS 50D.

Why can you not shoot with flash during ceremony? Is it because the videographer is taking video? I know I sound stupid here asking that LOL

it's because the church doesn't allow you to.


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Sep 25, 2009 12:10 |  #54

DBOi wrote in post #8707805 (external link)
if you think deciding on a lens is complicated, just wait till you start looking into flash :p

Nah, just pick up a 580EXII and 430EXII (if you can't afford TWO 580EXIIs)

Easy as pie!

Now LEARNING HOW to use a flash effectively....If you thought learning how to shoot available light was complicated :)

OP - You had the 18-55. You presumably shot with the 18-55. What did you think the numbers SEVENTY and TWO HUNDRED (70-200mm) meant? Honest question...




  
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Sep 25, 2009 12:20 |  #55

djpal wrote in post #8707650 (external link)
If you had to have 1 lens, would it be the 24-105 L or 70-200 L on an XSI?

Neither most likely. I'm generally not a fan of the 24-XX zoom lenses on 1.6X bodies such as the XSi because they lack a wide angle.

I would pick from the many 17-XX zooms like the EF-S 17-55 and the Tamron 17-50 depending on budget if I was going to have only one lens on a 1.6X body.

Another knock against the 24-105 is the f/4 aperture. I can live with f/4 zooms on FF cameras but I find it to be too limiting for both DOF and high ISO noise reasons on 1.6X bodies.

And the only person who could live with a telephoto zoom like the 70-200 as their only lens on 1.6X would be a specialist photographer who only shoots one subject that is suited to a telephoto. This lens is way too long for general use.


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Sep 25, 2009 12:28 |  #56

ed rader wrote in post #8707659 (external link)
17-55 IS.

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Sep 25, 2009 13:58 as a reply to  @ jm4ever's post |  #57

i too vote for the 17-55 2.8is its a great lens and will give you the widest view to get groups and such like

24 - 105 is not really wide enough on a crop

70-200 is a great lens too and worth keeping if you can


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djpal wrote in post #8707198 (external link)
Great lens...amazingly sharp and crystal clear. I've taken some amazing shots with this lens since I bought it this month...BUT.......

.....i didn't do my research properly in the sense that, I thought I could use this as a walk around.

I have to be 10000 miles away (figure of speech) from my subject if I want to have a good composition that isn't a zoomed in shot. I now realize I should have bought the CANON 24-105 F/4 L as a walk around, and when I started booking events, then upgrade and buy a 70-200 to complement my 24-105.

I wanted to do weddings, but there's no way a 70-200 will do it. I considered using my kit lens of 18-55 I believe, but I heard that's pretty pathetic (you can be honest). I'm trying to figure out what to do....

I'm trying to sell my 70-200 which i bought 3 weeks ago, but no one's buying, and i want to get the 24-105.

Any thoughts? Hows everyone's experience with the 24-105?
Any advice you can give a gear rookie?

Thanks all!

With all due respect, avoid "booking events" if you don't know what focal distance is.
People rely on you. You don't wanna cause them problems and eventually get sued. Entrusting someone with the task of capturing wedding shots is a serious matter.

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Sep 25, 2009 14:03 |  #59
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I agree with something that was said here: The 70-200 (any flavour) is absolutely fantastic for weddings, outdoors. It's a PJ lens.


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Sep 25, 2009 14:04 |  #60

czeglin wrote in post #8707559 (external link)
Whyyyyyy?

17-55 is much more appropriate for an XSi. It's faster, has better range, and has IS.

For an XSi yes, but if you plan on upgrading to FF I'd rather start collecting L's. I didn't say it was the best combination, i said I used it and it worked for me. Using a 17-40 over a 70-200 is a better choice, wouldn't you say? :p


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