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Sep 25, 2009 17:03 |  #31

It almost seems like the 1600 shots are very close to the Rebel 300D. This is the first point and shoot that entices me with a pretty good higher ISO performance. I could see shooting at 1600 with some post proc. to clean it up. It might be time to step back into the G series (my last one was a G2), but the S90 looks good too.


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Sep 25, 2009 17:09 |  #32

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It almost seems like the 1600 shots are very close to the Rebel 300D. This is the first point and shoot that entices me with a pretty good higher ISO performance. I could see shooting at 1600 with some post proc. to clean it up. It might be time to step back into the G series (my last one was a G2), but the S90 looks good too.

I think calling it DSLR good is a bit premature. They do look clean, but also very processed like a ton of NR has gone on. It is certainly better than what we have seen, but there are still not enough samples and fair comparisons to tell.

But, one thing to mention. The Lens in the S90 is f2 and the G11 is f2.8. COnsidering most entry DSLR lenses start at about f4, these compacts have a 1-2 stop advantage in ISO. So if you get an S90 and shoot it at ISO 400, you would have to be on ISO 1600 for the SLR with slow kit zoom. That may mean the S90 gives same or better IQ in those kinds of situations. Also, you can actually use f2 and have DOF indoors where on the SLR, you would be only having 1 person in focus at a time. That may mean the S90 gives same or better IQ in those kinds of typical indoor low-light scenarios. Certainly we are getting closer to being able to skip the SLR for most kinds of casual situations.


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Sep 25, 2009 17:21 |  #33
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tkbslc wrote in post #8709710 (external link)
I think calling it DSLR good is a bit premature. They do look clean, but also very processed like a ton of NR has gone on. It is certainly better than what we have seen, but there are still not enough samples and fair comparisons to tell.

All I know is at iso 1600 the G11 shots look better than anything my G9 has ever produced at that ISO.


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Sep 25, 2009 22:48 |  #34

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Hmm, you guys must be looking at different pictures than me because all I thought was that they all look really soft and mushy even at ISO 80.

I feel same way too.




  
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Sep 28, 2009 08:58 |  #35

I'm very impressed with the high ISO images. That being said it is really hard to make any firm judgments based on Dpreview sample galleries. Most times it seems like their samples are a best case scenario and then when the camera is released nobody can match it.

I commend Canon for listening to what we have been saying on this board for years about trying to cram too many MP's on the little sensor.

I fear it is too little too late. I think most serious compact camera enthusiasts will go in the direction of the micro 4/3's rather than buy a G11.


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Sep 28, 2009 09:20 |  #36

KarlMarsh wrote in post #8723303 (external link)
I fear it is too little too late. I think most serious compact camera enthusiasts will go in the direction of the micro 4/3's rather than buy a G11.

I disagree. There are way too many Canon fanboys for that to happen.


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Jethro790 wrote in post #8723413 (external link)
I disagree. There are way too many Canon fanboys for that to happen.

A G11 with a 4/3 sensor would be the ultimate...


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Sep 28, 2009 10:31 |  #38

KarlMarsh wrote in post #8723303 (external link)
I fear it is too little too late. I think most serious compact camera enthusiasts will go in the direction of the micro 4/3's rather than buy a G11.

I think I also have to disagree. Not because of the "fanboys", but because of the costs of the 4/3 system. The GF1 costs around $800, nearly twice of the G11. I think that if the performance of the G11 comes in as good as or better than the GF1, then the only advantage of the 4/3 system is the interchangeable lenses, not image quality. And I think when the reviews for the G11 come in, we're going to see some great performance.

I also agree with an earlier poster, the DPR images are not an accurate guage of the G11'e performance. There are way too many variables to judge
it's performance based on DPR images alone.

My money is on a G12 with a CMOS sensor. Like I said before, Canon could have done this with the G11, but they are probably holding out on us for marketing purposes. I sure wish they were a bit more like Nikon in that regard. I'm not a Noink fanboy, but it sure looks like when Noink has a technology ready, they don't hold back. They release it, and then follow through with firmware upgrades when necessary.


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Sep 29, 2009 10:35 |  #39

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A G11 with a 4/3 sensor would be the ultimate...

We already can see what a G11 with a 4/3 sensor would be sized like. CHeck out what the 14-140 looks like on a GF1 - Not compact. If you want a zoom, and a reasonably fast zoom that is still compact, you can't get much bigger than the sensor in the G11. So you end up with a fixed lens camera - which will not please the masses, or a huge camera the size of a Fuji S100fs.


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tkbslc wrote in post #8726733 (external link)
We already can see what a G11 with a 4/3 sensor would be sized like. CHeck out what the 14-140 looks like on a GF1 - Not compact. If you want a zoom, and a reasonably fast zoom that is still compact, you can't get much bigger than the sensor in the G11. So you end up with a fixed lens camera - which will not please the masses, or a huge camera the size of a Fuji S100fs.

I know.... that's why it would be the ultimate... :)


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Oct 04, 2009 23:14 |  #41

1. The ISO 1600 shots look a bit worse than ISO 3200 with a 40D. At 1600 most of the shots, specially the ones with lots of dark and black, look almost unusable.
Up to ISO 800 they seem amazing to me.
2.What's up with te pictures themselves? I think they're pretty bad, they look as if taken by a very bad amateur. I wonder what type of photographer(s) took them.

3. And whats up with all those ISO 80 shots?, they take up like 50% of the whole gallery.

All in all a great opportunity of seeing the G11 in action. I think I'll buy one.




  
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