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7d or 70-200 f2.8 IS

 
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Oct 12, 2009 12:29 |  #1

I have a 20D and 70-200 f4 NON-IS. I primarily shoot my kids sports. My problem is that the lens is not fast enough to shoot hockey games or other indoor sports, I knew that when I purchased the lens, but I love it for daylight outdoor sports and I prefer its size. I have been saving with the intent to buy the 70-200 f2.8 IS but along came the 7D and now I am wondering if that would be money better spent?

To sum up my question - would I be better off with:
the 20D and the 70-200 f2.8 IS
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the 7D and the 70-200 f4 NON_IS

I get very well exposed hockey pictures at f4, 1/500th, 1600 iso (3200 is more that enough) but they are too noisy - especially 3200.

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Oct 12, 2009 12:38 |  #2

20D and 70-200 2.8 IS.

No doubt.


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Oct 12, 2009 12:39 |  #3
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7d and 70-200 2.8 IS, sell a kidney or a child, just make it happen


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Oct 12, 2009 12:41 |  #4

Lazuka wrote in post #8807018 (external link)
7d and 70-200 2.8 IS, sell a kidney or a child, just make it happen

this.


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Oct 12, 2009 12:58 |  #5

Or a lobe of liver. It grows back.


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Oct 12, 2009 12:59 as a reply to  @ Chris215's post |  #6

The general rule of thumb has been good glass before camera bodies. A good lens won't need to be upgraded, but in another few years the 7D will be old hat, and you still wouldn't have the glass you need.


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Oct 12, 2009 12:59 |  #7

yep get the 70-200mm 2.8L IS. I have that and the the f4IS and use the 2.8 when I gotta stop the action.


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Oct 12, 2009 13:03 |  #8
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Stickman wrote in post #8807113 (external link)
The general rule of thumb has been good glass before camera bodies. A good lens won't need to be upgraded, but in another few years the 7D will be old hat, and you still wouldn't have the glass you need.

Glass before body, that means you can sell whatever organs you want.


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Oct 12, 2009 13:17 |  #9

Personally, as a hobbyist, I always buy lenses before bodies if it is a one or the other decision. Lenses are much better investments. Over the last 9 years or so, I built a pretty nice collection of gear. However, if I had been updating my camera body every couple of years, I'd have about 1/2 to 2/3 of the gear I have now to show for it. (My first DSLR was the original Rebel (300D) and I have upgraded my body once to the 5D).


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Oct 12, 2009 13:47 as a reply to  @ BTBeilke's post |  #10

I too would say 70-200 f/2.8 L IS lens! Get a nice selection of the lenses you feel are the ones you need, for what you shoot (as mentioned, a lens does not become out dated) THEN start collecting camera bodies! Works for me! :D


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Oct 12, 2009 13:52 |  #11

the golden rule is glass before body, but I took a step back and ask myself what do you think you'll use more, a new body that get use all the time, or a expensive lens that only get use 1-2 times a month.So I decide to get a 7d and sell my T1i.

but everyone that own the 70-200 lens love there lens to death!!!!! Its a tough question to answer anything you buy lens or body youll be happy !!


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Oct 12, 2009 14:13 |  #12

what about a 40D (greast price now and significant upgrade from 20D) and 70-200 4IS


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Oct 12, 2009 14:14 |  #13

Thanks everyone
Very good points. I was really leaning toward upgrading to the 7D for the higher mp, much better high iso performance and improved af. Now I'm not sure. The poster who suggested a new body would be used all the time and the lens less often was probably right - so was the poster that said i need both. :)




  
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Oct 12, 2009 14:27 |  #14

I don't know.. In your situation, I think I would go with a new body. Yes, the 20D is still an excellent camera. But I think 7D is a worthy upgrade. Nothing in the 30D, 40D, 50D was a huge "leap" in features and advancement to your 20D, so you've held out.

Granted it's way too early to tell, but IMO, 7D will become a classic. Yes, future cameras will easily break the 20-30mp barrier (as the trend continue to go), but 5184x3456 of the 18mp sensor is a HUGE photo to work with. It'll be plenty sufficient for 20x30 prints easy, for the next 5-25 years. :lol:

At 100%, the ISO noise may not be dramatically better (but certainly an improvement), but when viewing the entire photo, you will likely at least see 1 if not 2 stops improvement on the noise itself. I used to only stay at or below iso 800 indoors with my 40D and was very reluctant to go 1600. I don't even give it a 2nd thought shooting 1600 and 3200 indoors now. I haven't shot much 6400 because I haven't felt the need to yet, but I'm glad it's there for the extra stop when I absolutely, desperately need it.

It's true, that glass hold value much better and faster glass can stop action more effectively. But if you're managing okay with f/4, getting 1/500s and shooting 1600. I would imagine you would have no problems getting better results at 1600 or 3200. Just some food for thought. ;)

(Besides, the way you keep your cameras, I suspect the next "upgrade" you do will be the 7Dm3 or m4. Or go full frame by then, which is likely many years out.)

Here's a link on 40D vs. 7D high ISO comparison I did before selling off my 40D. As many of the following comments had acknowledged, the amount of detail retained by the 7D (even when down-rezing to match that of 40D file) is quite noticeable.

https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=8772474&po​stcount=36


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Oct 12, 2009 15:35 as a reply to  @ jwcdds's post |  #15

how about go my route get a 7D and a 80-200L 2.8 alot cheaper but I'm extremely happy with my magic drainpipe ;).


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