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Oct 13, 2009 10:29 |  #1

Okay so I'm getting into being a strobist and im loving it. I have some questions also. Whats the difference when it comes to using a flash or strobe with an umbrella (shoot through, and bounced), a soft box (rectangle or octogon) and a beauty dish (sock and no sock). difference as in what kind of light do they provide. thanks. examples would be great if possible


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Oct 13, 2009 10:34 |  #2

This should help cover the Softbox vs Umbrella comparison, it includes example shots.

http://onebrightspot.c​om …ftbox-a-quick-comparison/ (external link)


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Oct 13, 2009 11:25 |  #3

Here's another good thread with some samples

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=612896


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Oct 13, 2009 14:45 |  #4

One more for good measure. :)

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Oct 13, 2009 15:28 |  #5

thanks guys for the links, any beauty dish comparison to umbrellas or softboxes or even with or without a sock?


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Nov 11, 2009 21:01 as a reply to  @ Fabian9931's post |  #6

Did a search and found this thread, may have to use search more often in the future.:) Good links with lots of information and more links to lots more information.
So after reading all of the information, think the BD would be a good starting point for me. Do have one question, soft-boxes have two layers of material to shoot through for diffusing the light, do umbrellas have one or two layers of material?


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Nov 12, 2009 10:52 as a reply to  @ Calicajun's post |  #7

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If you ever have the opportunity, contrast the quality of light you can get from a proper studio strobe bounced into an umbrella or shot through a softbox against the gimpy light attainable by using a hotshoe strobe in this fashion.

The studio strobe is designed to work with light modifiers. It will usually fire closer into an umbrella's center and give more even softer lighting than the little hotshoe flash sitting eight or so inches above the center of the umbrella and shooting light from a reflector about 1.5" x 3" or so in size. Even the older "coffee can" White Lightning WL5,000 and WL10,000 units which you can usually get for between $50 and $100 each on eBay work far better with umbrellas than would the hotshoe strobist approach. (see images of these strobes and an example of the soft lighting attainable).

A typical hotshoe reflector is a light source of 4.5 square inches (1.5" X 3"). The light source size of the White Lightning reflector is over 50 square inches (radius = 4" - area is the radius squared times pi or about 3.14). Fifty square inches is one heck of a lot bigger than four and a half square inches to start off with and firing it into an umbrella simply increases the size of that large, even light source.

When shooting through a softbox, I like to use a studio strobe which has a removable reflector. This will provide a much wider and more even light source. Trying to modify the specular light concentrated by the tiny reflector of a hotshoe flash into the large even light source provided by a softbox is like boiling ice cubes to make tea. It can be done, but it is darned inefficient. Point your camera into the softbox which is being lit by a hotshoe flash and take a picture of the softbox light. You will see that the light is not even throughout the softbox but, is more concentrated in the center.

Now, to answer your question; here is a great video comparing umbrellas with softboxes. My primary difference is the ease of setting up and breaking down an umbrella system as opposed to a softbox system. The umbrella set up is much easier and quicker than a softbox setup. This is especially relevant to location shooting or when you are using your home as a studio and your wife doesn't want you to leave your lights set up when she has her friends in for a visit.

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Nov 12, 2009 11:29 |  #8

Do you need control of the light? If you don't, umbrellas will work just fine. I love my octabox though.


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Nov 27, 2009 06:05 as a reply to  @ exodusfman800's post |  #9

thanks for the links guys, very helppul for clearing this up.


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