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1D/1Ds Mk1 vs Mk2

 
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Oct 13, 2009 17:49 |  #31

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To me, the changes aren't worth the money. The files it puts out are exactly the same but you get a bigger LCD and the ability to write to two cards at once.

Just to clarify, you can write to both cards at once on any of the Mark II's, you just have to write the same thing to both (RAW to both, jpg to both, RAW + jpg to both, etc). The Mark IIN gives you the option to write RAW to one and jpg to the other if you want.



  
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Oct 13, 2009 17:50 |  #32

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Thanks.


I don't know why you would want to go with a fullframe. Your lens lineup obviously works well, and it's designed around the 1.3 crop. And hey, you know what works. If it ain't broke don't fix it ;) [although I'll admit, experimenting is always fun]

Sorry, but I have a 1DS2 (full frame) so my second would be a crop (1D2). I don't mind that. I like that it gives me different effective focal lengths (even though the 1DS2 gives me the same thing through cropping of the large image).

I'm pretty flexible with focal lengths as long as I have a 24mm effective somewhere in the bag. I can work around anything else (I don't mind big gaps with primes).


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Oct 13, 2009 17:50 |  #33

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Just to clarify, you can write to both cards at once on any of the Mark II's, you just have to write the same thing to both (RAW to both, jpg to both, RAW + jpg to both, etc). The Mark IIN gives you the option to write RAW to one and jpg to the other if you want.

Ok... although I agree with TheHoff that it's a pretty small difference. I don't see myself using that as I shoot Raw only. Thanks for the clarification.


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Oct 13, 2009 17:52 |  #34

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Ok... although I agree with TheHoff that it's a pretty small difference. I don't see myself using that as I shoot Raw only. Thanks for the clarification.

Yeah, I don't personally think the N is worth the money either. That's why I have a 1DII and 1DsII.



  
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Oct 13, 2009 17:54 |  #35

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Sorry, but I have a 1DS2 (full frame) so my second would be a crop (1D2). I don't mind that. I like that it gives me different effective focal lengths (even though the 1DS2 gives me the same thing through cropping of the large image).

I'm pretty flexible with focal lengths as long as I have a 24mm effective somewhere in the bag. I can work around anything else (I don't mind big gaps with primes).

Oh, I thought you had a 1DII :P
I still don't see much advantage to having a FF with a crop considering (like you said) you have no gap problems. If you work only with primes though I can see the advantage. I don't know how you shoot/your preferences though, so everything I'm saying is based off my own style. :p


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Oct 13, 2009 17:57 |  #36

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Oh, I thought you had a 1DII :P
I still don't see much advantage to having a FF with a crop considering (like you said) you have no gap problems. If you work only with primes though I can see the advantage. I don't know how you shoot/your preferences though, so everything I'm saying is based off my own style.

Cheapness is the advantage :cool: $900 instead of $2000 for a second body and it still gives you great performance and workable files.


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Oct 13, 2009 18:01 |  #37

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Cheapness is the advantage :cool: $900 instead of $2000 for a second body and it still gives you great performance and workable files.

I meant between a 1d and a 1ds :P ... I was/am confused; like I said, I thought you owned a 1D :P
I'm totally behind you on the $900 vs $2000 front :cool:


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Oct 13, 2009 18:22 as a reply to  @ beeng's post |  #38

The guy on kijiji with the 1D3 got back to me... he says that canon checked it out and there were no problems.
Though he may be lying. When asked about AIServo mode and the problems associated with it he said, "most of the shots on my site were done with this camera and they came out fine with the camera in everything from M, P, Tv and Av."
This makes me nervous :confused:
I have a feeling he shoots manual focus most of the time, as he put an Ec-S "super precision" focus screen in it.

Where do you guys weight in on the MkIII focusing problems? :cool:


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Oct 13, 2009 18:30 |  #39

Each body has it's pros & cons so it comes down to what you want to capture & how good a selection of lenses you have. My original expected use for the first 1D2n I bought was car racing, but I started shooting R/C fun fly events where the very fast AF & fps were very useful, but I needed more Mpixels when shooting planes at some distance, because the majority of the photo was sky. That led me to buy my 1Ds2, which fits my needs perfectly except for the rather small buffer. I will often fire too many shots in a sequence (not necessarily a fps burst) and the camera locks up until they are transferred to the cards, or at least several have been transferred. I've never shot a 1D2 but from everything I've read the files can't be distinguished from the 2n files.


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Oct 15, 2009 19:18 |  #40

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Seems like a bit of a waste to release a new camera model for a few updates.

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Most of us did not feel that it was a "new camera" .. even Canon did not change the name,. it was only a year into the MkII's three year life cycle. It was like the SR5 Option package for a Toyota Tacoma,. still a Tacoma, just with a few more options.

...the same was true of the "30D" which in reality was exactly the same sort of "update" as the 1D mkIIn,. ie: it was the "20Dn"

In both cases it was because in the previous six months most other manufacturers ( Nikon, Pentax, Sony etc..) had suddenly released all new models that though they did not compete with the 1D MkII or 20D on most other aspects, they did all feature much larger better LCD screens.
Canon still had the best Cameras, but put them in the hands of new buyers and the only thing they would notice was the tiny LCD.

Canon reacted very quickly and efficiently, not to lure upgraders, but to keep new customers coming there way.


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Oct 15, 2009 19:35 |  #41

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Where do you guys weight in on the MkIII focusing problems? :cool:

Opinions will vary, I'll start with the facts,.

The MkIII was released with focus problem/s.

Canon took several steps to remedy it that we are aware of.
they did a service recall in October of it's release year (about 6 months after release) and also tried several Firmware updates to resolve the issues.
they then offered a second Hardware fix over a year into it's lifespan that to this day is still active.

The degree to which any of the focus issues effected shooters seems to have varied tremendously depending on photographer, and shooting style/subject matter etc.

It also seems clear that some cameras were simply much worse than others.

these two variables have created a lot more confusion on the issue, with MANY happy MkIII shooters continuing to date to insist that there never was an issue, and that those experiencing issues must be at fault, this despite Canons huge and costly and public efforts to rectify these issues.

Now my opinion;
My 2nd MkIII works very well. My first one was a total Dud re: many of the Focus tasks I asked of it.
However, IMHO there are some AF tasks that the MkIII does better than the MkII, but I still feel there are some conditions where the MkII still beats the MkIII. ( Birds in flight in SOME conditions)

With a Working MkIII I am now very happy with it, and despite it not doing everything as well as the MkII, it does so much more things so much better, it is absolutely my go to camera now.


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Oct 15, 2009 19:35 |  #42

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Canon reacted very quickly and efficiently, not to lure upgraders, but to keep new customers coming there way.

Thanks for the history. I should have recognized the strategy considering I studied this stuff for 6 or so years :rolleyes:

I've been looking around for a 1DII but haven't found any decent offers yet. Most are over-priced for used equipment.


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Oct 16, 2009 09:17 |  #43

It seems that the Mark II are getting to be more popular everyday. Just check the threads like yours.
I just bought a Mark IIN last week after selling my 40D. If this keeps up the price might go back up some. After all the price is driven off of demand!!!!
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Oct 16, 2009 09:23 |  #44

I doubt it would go back up... might stay the same for a while though.


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Oct 16, 2009 10:22 |  #45

This isn't a fixed retail price this is what the owners are willing to sell them for.
Joe sells his for 1400, John says Humm I sell mine for 1500, Next guy thinks if they go for 1500 then He ought to get 1600 for his because there is no marks on his. Supply and demand drives the price, nothing else. If no one want to sell theirs then the price goes up. If the mark 4 comes out and folks starts to dump theirs the price will go down.
Seems right now folks are wanting them, over the 5D and 7D etc.
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