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Magic Drainpipe or 70-200mm f/4 IS ?

 
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Oct 27, 2009 15:40 |  #1

Look at this as a poll.

Price is a consideration.

This isn't much different than the 70-200 f/2.8 versus f/4 IS debate, except this drainpipe is $600, and the f/4 IS is considerably more.

I don't do a lot of zoom work, but the speed would certainly be nice.

I will use it more often handheld than on a tripod. I will use it for a mix of portrait/wildlife/spor​ts, more the former than the latter. I may use a 1.4x extender.

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Oct 27, 2009 15:43 |  #2

I'm always a proponent of f2.8 over f4 when using for portraiture work and sports. I hear good things about the drainpipe.


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Oct 27, 2009 15:55 |  #3

I just found out it does not work with Canon extenders (maybe older ones, who knows) but it will likely work just fine with 3rd party extenders.

It's not weathersealed. It's not USM. My 70-200mm f/4 IS has all these things. Just more to think about.


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Oct 27, 2009 16:03 |  #4

Boy, I cannot believe someone is comparing an older lens to the newer, probably greatest zoom Canon has ever made.


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Oct 27, 2009 16:04 |  #5

leroy_sunset wrote in post #8905676 (external link)
I just found out it does not work with Canon extenders (maybe older ones, who knows) but it will likely work just fine with 3rd party extenders.

It's not weathersealed. It's not USM. My 70-200mm f/4 IS has all these things. Just more to think about.

I had both and found the MAgic drainpipe to be a step above the F4 IS in low light and IQ but just ever so slightly and the part of the USM it's still very fast and not that loud it's not like the nifty fifty and I had a very good clean copy I wish I still had it:(


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Oct 27, 2009 16:05 |  #6

gasrocks wrote in post #8905732 (external link)
Boy, I cannot believe someone is comparing an older lens to the newer, probably greatest zoom Canon has ever made.

Maybe I had a bad copy but don't get me wrong it was very, very good.


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Oct 27, 2009 16:09 |  #7

I do find it hard to believe the Magic anything beats the 70-200/4 L IS in sharpness or versitility.


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Oct 27, 2009 16:18 |  #8

Why not a Sigma 70-200 HSM over the older non-usm, no-longer-serviced 80-200?

If F4 is acceptable, then it is hard to beat the F4 IS for sharpness, even with L primes.


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Oct 27, 2009 16:26 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #9

I can hand hold a 70-200mm f/4L IS....

The Magic Drainpipe is a great lens. However, I can hand hold my 70-200mm f/4L IS lens at lower light levels than I could the Magic Drainpipe or the 70-200mm f/2.8L non-IS lenses.

I can shoot at 200mm using 1/60 second @ f/4 to get virtually 100% sharp imagery. Using 1/30 second @ f/4, I get a smaller percentage of sharp images but the percentage is still respectable.

If I were using a lens with an f/2.8 aperture, I could double the shutter speed. Would that help in the lower light levels? I doubt that it would help drastically.

Using either of those f/2.8L non-IS lenses, I could never get 100% sharp imagery shooting at 1/120 second @ f.2.8 and I would be lucky to get any sharp images at 1/60 second.


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Oct 27, 2009 16:32 |  #10

RPCrowe wrote in post #8905885 (external link)
I can shoot at 200mm using 1/60 second @ f/4 to get virtually 100% sharp imagery. Using 1/30 second @ f/4, I get a smaller percentage of sharp images but the percentage is still respectable.

If I were using a lens with an f/2.8 aperture, I could double the shutter speed. Would that help in the lower light levels? I doubt that it would help drastically.

Great, but what if you are trying to stop action? You might be at 1/400 on the f2.8 and 1/200 w/ IS on the F4. The f2.8 shots are going to look a LOT better. Once you get down to non-action shots, then yes, I agree that IS is often better.


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Nov 03, 2009 23:59 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #11

The magic drainpipe is a VERY sharp and fast lens....it is AWESOME!!


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