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Am i being fussy? 70-200 2.8 IS

 
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Oct 28, 2009 19:04 |  #1

I know there are about 5 billion 70-200 threads so heres mine :lol:

I always promised my self that when i got my first "proper" job i would treat myself to an L-series lens so popped into jessops today and they had a 70-200 2.8 IS which is near the top of my short list if not the top. Although on trying it out i have to say i am slightly disappointed i was expecting it to be alot sharper (im a right PIA for sharpness).

Also i mainly do Motorsport with some street/landscape and candid at friends partys or just having a laugh.....anything really :lol: i also like doing night time as well.

The thing is with night time i use a tripod and a low apeture anyway so what i'm thinking is is that do i really need the 2.8 over the 4 where as if i get the 4 IS i can cover most and for the candid parties etc i would still have change to get the 50 1.4 and with abit more the 85 1.8 too. i know im about to open a large can of worms but lucky a know a couple of people who have a photography studio and a 70-200 2.8 IS and told me im more than welcome to come to the studio and try it out properly for longer so i'm also hoping for some advice on how to use it properly to get the most to see if it is what i want.

All taken at 2.8

Camera: Canon EOS 450D
Exposure: 0.017 sec (1/60)
Aperture: f/2.8
Focal Length: 195 mm
ISO Speed: 100
Exposure Bias: 0 EV

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Camera: Canon EOS 450D
Exposure: 0.004 sec (1/250)
Aperture: f/2.8
Focal Length: 195 mm
ISO Speed: 400
Exposure Bias: 0 EV

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Camera: Canon EOS 450D
Exposure: 0.003 sec (1/400)
Aperture: f/2.8
Focal Length: 200 mm
ISO Speed: 400
Exposure Bias: 0 EV

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Oct 28, 2009 19:17 |  #2

sharpened at all? The full images look fine. some of your shutter speeds are slow


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Oct 28, 2009 19:21 |  #3

Your shutter speeds seem slow and 2.8 isn't the best setting for sharpness. Try f/8.


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Oct 28, 2009 19:22 |  #4

I will take a stab, looks normal to me. Your full size photos looks great, if you have to pixel peep there are sharper lens available. The 50L compared to the 85L is the same way from my exp with both.

When I take photos, wide open, with the 200 2F and compare them to the 70-200 2.8 IS, wide open, I do have some bad thoughts sometimes... Your photos look fine to me. Decide if you like them.


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Oct 28, 2009 19:40 |  #5

Are you using AF?
Center Point only?

I agree that you should try to get higher shutter speeds.

The first two pictures look like they are focused on the part of the building at the bottom of the frame. In the last photo the crop area is not the center of the frame.


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Oct 28, 2009 19:40 |  #6

So i suppose the answer is yes to me being fussy :lol:

No sharpening at all,as they are from the camera and the camera is still on stock settings.

I mainly use apeture priority so if my shutter speed gets low i just start stopping down but again if it is a case of using f8 then is it just better to get the f4 and then getting a 50 f1.4.

Yes it is centre focus.

It is alot of money to put into a lense if im not gonna be happy with it :(


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Oct 28, 2009 19:41 |  #7

Looks fine to me. If you are unsatisfied, Raise the shutter speed and or stop down a bit. Also, It is generally accepted that this lens is sharper on the sort end then it is on the long end. Try some shots at 70. I have found that this effect is really exaggerated when I add a tc. With a 2x my shots in the 140-250 range look awesome but if I go much higher I get all kinds of ca and a huge loss of sharpness. Kinda defeats the point of the tc :(
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Oct 28, 2009 20:22 as a reply to  @ Green_Tea's post |  #8

I'm gonna shoot it straight here... My 70-200 f4L IS is out-freakin-rageously sharp even when pixel peeping wide open shots taken with the 40D. Just sayin... Its new generation IS can handle 1/60 sec for most shooters EASILY.


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Oct 28, 2009 21:28 |  #9

District_History_Fan wrote in post #8914494 (external link)
I'm gonna shoot it straight here... My 70-200 f4L IS is out-freakin-rageously sharp even when pixel peeping wide open shots taken with the 40D. Just sayin... Its new generation IS can handle 1/60 sec for most shooters EASILY.

I shoot 1/60 to 1/100 no worries hand held with my 2.8 IS. May not be the sharpest, but good enough for me at ~100% wide open (No post/sharpen other than import into LR default):

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Oct 28, 2009 21:43 |  #10

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Is look sharp for me...
I just got this lens. still trying to figure out to improve it.
my sample shot (Night Shot) is not sharp.
Care to share your setting?

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=773631


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Oct 28, 2009 22:04 |  #11

rubber_duckie wrote in post #8914923 (external link)
Is look shape for me...
I just got this lens. still trying to figure out to improve it.
my sample shot (Night Shot) is not shape.
Care to share your setting?

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=773631

When you say shape, you mean sharp right? Well it helps this is in decent light at ISO 100 shot at 200mm on a 1D3 and my subject is not far from me.

Your shot is at night with subjects further away and ISO 800. Shutter speed is nearing borderline for 100% consistency hand-held. Doesn't look that bad under the circumstances.


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Oct 28, 2009 22:13 |  #12

Jesse Webb wrote in post #8915028 (external link)
When you say shape, you mean sharp right? Well it helps this is in decent light at ISO 100 shot at 200mm on a 1D3 and my subject is not far from me.

Your shot is at night with subjects further away and ISO 800. Shutter speed is nearing borderline for 100% consistency hand-held. Doesn't look that bad under the circumstances.

I'm very sorry.. My mistake is sharp.
oh.. Meaning my sample still quite ok?
For such lighting condition?
Thanks for your advice...

I'm sorry for hijack your thread....


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Oct 28, 2009 22:23 |  #13

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I'm very sorry.. My mistake is sharp.
oh.. Meaning my sample still quite ok?
For such lighting condition?
Thanks for your advice...

I'm sorry for hijack your thread....

Right, I wouldn't test sharpness at higher iso, lower shutter and at night. No reason yet to assume your copy or the OP's copy are soft until more controled test shots are posted.


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Oct 29, 2009 10:11 |  #14

I haven't bought it yet i was just trying it out at the store :lol: I have read the F4L is sharper and noticed the store has one in stock so i guess another visit is in order.

I do really want the 2.8 IS but it is alot of money for something that im not going to be happy with where as if the F4L is sharper i can then also get the 50 1.4 and the 28 1.8/85 1.8 but then again there is the sigma 2.8 :lol: although the store doesn't have one in stock and no where seems to rent this lense too? and if i get the sigma 2.8 i can get the 50 1.4 and the 28 1.8 and the 85 1.8 :lol: but then it defeats the purpose of treating myself to an L lense.

if only things could be simple.

Could is also maybe be im expecting too much from the camera too? All the images i seem to look at in the sample archive are from far superior cameras which i guess got my hopes up of the 2.8 IS being extremely sharp.


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Oct 29, 2009 10:30 |  #15

All of the 70-200 L's are sharp, the F4 IS just happens to be the sharpest. I wouldn't base your decision on sharpness, I'd base it on whether you need (or want) F2.8 over F4. If you don't care about the extra stop of light then go with the F4.




  
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