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Nov 11, 2009 14:30 |  #1

Last Sunday i had a photo shoot with a car of a friend of mine, some shots where "good" but there was one shot i liked because of the composition. but i still have a feeling that there is enough to improve, so please be a hard critique and tell what to improve :).

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Nov 11, 2009 15:00 |  #2

Very nice comp. My nit is the lack of detail in the car...especially in the front. Overall the shadows seem a bit underexposed.


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Nov 11, 2009 17:00 |  #3

I agree with GorgeShooter that this is a very nice composition. I did, however, also agree with him that the lack of detail in the car was an issue (I think a major one), and also saw a couple of minor ones.
Major - car buried in shadow losing a lot of detail.
Minor - slightly closer crop would get rid of unneeded asphalt at bottom of image and possibly improve composition somewhat.
- background was hazy and there was a lack of saturation in the foliage and building.

Here's a fairly quick and obviously imperfect edit to try to correct some of those issues. I increased the exposure slightly in Adobe Camera Raw and also added a fair amount of fill light to brighten the car and bring out details. In CS3, I used multiple hue/saturation layers to increase the red, green, and yellow saturation while decreasing the blue and cyan saturation to the max. in order to overcome the haziness. Finally, the curves layer decreased the sky brightness while adding brightness to the rest of the image. The sky still remains an issue, and it probably would be worth masking out the effect of the hue/saturation reduction of blue to leave the sky a little bit blue, but this was a quick shot and I wasn't trying for perfection.


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Nov 12, 2009 01:47 as a reply to  @ stsva's post |  #4

Thanks for the replies:) I will have a look at it when i got time.


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Nov 12, 2009 04:33 as a reply to  @ masterwillems's post |  #5

Personally, with respect (and new to the game, but knowing the look I like...), I think the original did it more justice. It's a dark and menacing car and "bringing it out" of the shadows ruins that. The edited shot is the sort you might see in a sales brochure. The original is more like one you'd find in a car magazine, people know what the car looks like and it's the feeling of it that's more important.


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Nov 12, 2009 06:48 |  #6

coyoteboy wrote in post #9001049 (external link)
Personally, with respect (and new to the game, but knowing the look I like...), I think the original did it more justice. It's a dark and menacing car and "bringing it out" of the shadows ruins that. The edited shot is the sort you might see in a sales brochure. The original is more like one you'd find in a car magazine, people know what the car looks like and it's the feeling of it that's more important.

This was something i was also thinking of, thanks for the repley but still will have a look at the lighting :).


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Nov 13, 2009 09:01 |  #7

It's a dark and menacing car and "bringing it out" of the shadows ruins that.

If that's what you were going for, then you succeeded.
If you were trying to make the car look good, then you didn't & the light on the one you previously posted in Transportation was better.
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Nov 13, 2009 09:07 |  #8

I wish the quality of light was better




  
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Nov 13, 2009 10:10 |  #9

The edited version shown here is too bright. I agree that the car is menacing...especially in black, but IMHO it needs a touch of fill light to bring out some of the lines and details of the car. Otherwise it's just black.


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Nov 13, 2009 12:26 |  #10

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If that's what you were going for, then you succeeded.
If you were trying to make the car look good, then you didn't & the light on the one you previously posted in Transportation was better.
Read the links in my Sig & try again. ;)

A very nice and interesting thread :).

Here is my retake of it, lightened it up a bit (slightly), used the GND tool in lightroom 2 to make the sky less white and used the dodge tool to edit the shadow of the vehicle a bit.

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Nov 13, 2009 17:18 |  #11

I really like the first one (but do crop out the blacktop). The menacing car, the red eyes coming out of the shadows, and the slightly stormy looking building. I like the warmth of the first image as well. I agree with coyoteboy. But, that is just me.


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Nov 13, 2009 20:24 |  #12

That last edit does it for me. NICE!!


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Nov 14, 2009 01:29 |  #13

Maybe it has to do with why you shot the photo.... Is it the car or is the total picture, the building. That is may be part of the problem... it is not quite clear what you want to tell us with the picture.
Do you want to tell us it is a nice car? Then the car shoud "sparkle" a bit more. Or is there something else....
BTW did I recognise the "Vredespaleis" in The Hague? Or have I been away from the Netherlands too long. (Used to live there before I moved to Australia) :)


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Nov 14, 2009 02:32 |  #14

vk2gwk wrote in post #9012351 (external link)
BTW did I recognise the "Vredespaleis" in The Hague? Or have I been away from the Netherlands too long. (Used to live there before I moved to Australia) :)

Nop, it was museum de hoge vuursche near Soest, and Baarn.:)


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Nov 14, 2009 03:55 as a reply to  @ masterwillems's post |  #15

No worries. Nice location. Never been there. Only to some posh restaurant in the Lage Vuursche, "Kastanjehof" .

BTW my first BMW was a 316 back in 1976.....

But... what is it you want to tell with the picture? That is more important than where I have been ;)


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