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HS Basketball with 2 580EXs, can someone help?

 
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Nov 13, 2009 13:58 as a reply to  @ post 9009043 |  #16

Let's see a picture of the gym and what places you have available to mount.
Then you might get some quality advice.


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Nov 13, 2009 18:07 |  #17

wyofizz wrote in post #9009231 (external link)
Let's see a picture of the gym and what places you have available to mount.
Then you might get some quality advice.

How about you show a picture of a gym in North America where the advice given is not applicable. I bet I have shot in at least 70 and never once have I been in a gym where at least one if not multiple of the scenarios presented would not work.


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Nov 13, 2009 20:08 as a reply to  @ Big K's post |  #18

Sorry, can't agree.
Mounting points can make a world of difference.
I didn't mean the advice that was given previous was bad
it's just that we could give him better advice based on our collective experience if we saw what he is dealing with. We could probably come close to nailing it for him:)
I didn't mean my post to be negative.


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Nov 13, 2009 20:15 |  #19

wyofizz wrote in post #9011168 (external link)
Sorry, can't agree.
Mounting points can make a world of difference.
I didn't mean the advice that was given previous was bad
it's just that we could give him better advice based on our collective experience if we saw what he is dealing with. We could probably come close to nailing it for him:)
I didn't mean my post to be negative.

Sorry Dave, I misunderstood your post and sorry for the snippy response. Your suggestion for a gym shot would be helpful giving a more specific recommendation instead of speaking in generalities. Again, sorry about the tone of my post.


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Nov 13, 2009 20:25 |  #20

wyofizz wrote in post #9009231 (external link)
Let's see a picture of the gym and what places you have available to mount.
Then you might get some quality advice.

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Sorry Dave, I misunderstood your post and sorry for the snippy response.

I misunderstood it too... I went back and re-read the earlier posts, looking for what Dave might've thought was anything but "quality advice" already given.


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Nov 13, 2009 20:56 as a reply to  @ clarence's post |  #21

They were great posts with excellent illustrations:)
It's just that often times lighting is very specific to the type of venue.
In my experience using the 580's will require more skillful placement and experimentation than using strobes to bounce off the ceiling.;)


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Nov 14, 2009 00:39 |  #22

Here's a thread I started last year with the equipment, diagrams and examples from how I set up lights for when I shoot basketball and other indoor sports. Hope it helps out.

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=635625


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Nov 14, 2009 12:12 |  #23

So how high do these strobes "need" to be set to get good results. I'll be trying to shoot my sons youth, prep league basketball this season and the gyms these kids play in are even more dismal than what the OP suggested his gym situation is. In most cases I'll have access to one set of bleachers. The other side is simply a wall. And probably not a white wall either. Light stands are a possiblity, but so is the fact that a kid could hit them too. What would you do in this situation?

BTW, this is a very helpful thread. Thanks all!


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Nov 14, 2009 13:49 as a reply to  @ ChasWG's post |  #24

As a general rule, the higher the better. You want to avoid side shadows.
I prefer 13' stands if I can't mount elsewhere.


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Nov 14, 2009 20:36 |  #25

My "rule" is to get flashes at or higher than the hoop level. The higher the better.


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Nov 15, 2009 23:07 |  #26

wyofizz wrote in post #9014520 (external link)
As a general rule, the higher the better. You want to avoid side shadows.
I prefer 13' stands if I can't mount elsewhere.

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My "rule" is to get flashes at or higher than the hoop level. The higher the better.

I agree with both statements. When I mount lights I try to put them at the top of the bleachers which on average ends up about 15' above the floor of the gym. If I use stands they are still about 9' off the floor. I never mount lower than 9'.


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Nov 16, 2009 09:02 |  #27

Here's my two cents on mounting the flashes. I learned very quickly that the mount needs to be really sturdy. At a volleyball playoff game, there were about 15-20 enthusiastic fans that stood right beside my strobe and stomped the bleachers for the entire 5 game set. Twice, I went to check my mount (Impact super clamp) and tried to tighten it more. After each game, they would switch ends and continue cheering for their team. I don't think the spring clamp would have held, and I do have several of them I modified with the 1/4 x 20 bolts also. If I had to use the spring clamp, I would have taped it with gaffers tape to hopefully keep it in place.

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Nov 16, 2009 20:22 |  #28

Great info here!



  
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Nov 17, 2009 07:39 |  #29

Whoa, forgot about this thread as I've been busy with school lately. I'm looking to set up lighting for my brother's youth league games. Our gym is set up with bleachers on both sidelines as well as two sections on the endlines that aren't extended. I can however climb the end bleachers to set up lights on those. In that way there is no risk of vibration or anything happening to it so I should be safe.


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Nov 17, 2009 14:55 |  #30

Tim, assuming you are using strobes, check for a power receptacle. You might need a 50 foot extension cord. I used most of one at a game because the receptacle was back under the bleachers and I had to crawl back in there. Yuk! Kinda dusty and dirty. Prolly hasn't been cleaned since the 60's! :-(

At the most recent tournament, I had to run the extension cord across two different doorways. I started at the receptacle, left a little slack, then started taping the cord to the floor/baseboard with gaffers tape. I placed strips of the tape about a 16 inches apart (guessing here) as I crossed the doorway. I had the cord against the door threshold. I continued to tape here and there with the last piece used to tape the cord to the handrail vertical just below the strobe. I also left some slack so I could adjust the light, and hopefully if the cord was jerked, it wouldn't pull out of the strobe.

The cords survived the foot traffic with no problems. This was a 16 team tournament and I shot all 14 games played in the gym I was set up in so there was a lot of foot traffic through both doors.

Edit: With hot shoe flashes, all you need are a couple of good clamps, a hot shoe adapter for the 430 and the screw lock cable for the 580 EX II, and something to trigger them with.


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