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bejay
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Nov 22, 2009 13:27 |  #1

Hi all I've had my 30D for 3 years, but only taken around 7000 pics, I have never been totaly pleased with my pics, they all seem soft, so as you do, you think its your technique, but what ever you do they don't get any better.
Last night I took several pics of my nephew on his 1st birthday, using my sigma 17-70 and my sigma 70-200 all with flash, the first with the sigma 17-70@70mm f4.5 1/60 and the second sigma 70-200@200mm f7.1 1/60 both at iso 100


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Nov 22, 2009 13:43 |  #2

I then did some lens chart tests and got these. no1 17-70@70mm f4.5. no2 7-70@17 (INVALID EMAIL) f2.8 no3 tamron 90 macro f2.8 no4 70-200@70mm f2.8 no5 70-200@200mm f2.8 and lastly nifty 50 f2.8 as you can see there is a lot of inconsistancy front and back focus. so is it the camera or lenses or ME any advice appreciated.


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Nov 22, 2009 13:45 as a reply to  @ bejay's post |  #3

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Nov 22, 2009 13:47 as a reply to  @ bejay's post |  #4

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Nov 22, 2009 14:49 |  #5

Welcome to POTN, bejay!

First of all, back slowly away from that chart. That thing has led many a POTNer down the path of frustration, often leading to insanity and death. ;)

If you think your lens is front- or back focusing, shooting real-life objects that the camera can focus on will tell you. The battery test is a good one, but do it from further away than that chart was.

BUT: I wouldn't say either of your posted shots is soft because of lens/camera/focus issues. They're underexposed, color balance is a bit off, and (like all images) need sharpening after being resized. Sharpening should always be your last step of post processing, although sometimes it's good earlier also.

You used flash - you should experiment with Flash Exposure Compensation for more brightness.

What picture style are you using? Are you shooting raw or jpeg?

Here I've increased the brightness, slightly increased contrast, adjusted color balance (just guessing, since I don't know what your nephew's skin tone really looks like), and sharpened a bit using Unsharp Mask at 0.3, 300, 0. That's just a bit of sharpening.


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These don't look soft to me...

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Nov 22, 2009 16:08 as a reply to  @ number six's post |  #6

Thanks for the reply Numbersix, I have done the battery test, and also got inconclusive results, at what distance would you suggest.

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Nov 22, 2009 16:26 |  #7

Are you shooting in Manual mode or P? If manual mode up the ISO to maybe 400 and up the shutter speed to 1/80th or so.




  
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Nov 22, 2009 16:35 |  #8

They don't look bad Barrie. And number six is spot on, don't get hung up on taking shots of test charts.
Evidently it leads to madness and things can start falling off! :shock:

Seriously, it's a lot harder than you think to keep control of things when you're trying to test a lens this way. But 50x the focal length of the lens as a minimum for the distance, that 2½ metres for a 50mm lens. Far better to take some real life shots, add a bit of sharpening in post processing (perfectly normal, and required for all digital cameras) and go from there.

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Nov 22, 2009 16:40 |  #9

Shot like that I would do ISO400, 1/200 in manual mode, adjust flash FEC as nessesary. For indoor shots with flash I think Av/P/etc is just no good.


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Nov 22, 2009 17:07 |  #10

bejay wrote in post #9062879 (external link)
Thanks for the reply Numbersix, I have done the battery test, and also got inconclusive results, at what distance would you suggest.

Thanks
Barrie

Canon specifies 50X focal length. I've heard that some other lens manufacturers (Sigma?) specify 25X.

At 200 mm, 50X FL would be 10 meters, or 33 feet.

When you get close enough to fill the frame with that sheet of paper at a 45 degree angle, you're much closer than that, often very close to minimum focus distance for the lens. Lenses often misfocus a bit near MFD.

The other problem with the tilted chart is you're never sure what the camera chooses to focus on - you want it to focus on the "focus here" bar, but it doesn't know what you want. Given targets of equal contrast, the camera will choose the nearest one. This matters because the actual focus area is larger than the box in your viewfinder.

But really: the second shot, especially, is not out of focus. The eyes sparkle after a small amount of sharpening in PP, which is always necessary after resizing an image.

-js


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Nov 22, 2009 17:09 |  #11

Bill Roberts wrote in post #9063015 (external link)
They don't look bad Barrie. And number six is spot on, don't get hung up on taking shots of test charts.
Evidently it leads to madness and things can start falling off! :shock:

Makes hair grow on your palms, too, and you'll eventually go blind.

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Nov 22, 2009 17:16 as a reply to  @ number six's post |  #12

Thanks all for your replys, I was shooting in manual, and my 580ex in ettl, I think the problem I have is, because I don't shoot that often, I tend to not want to experiment, as I get confused in the heat of the moment so to speak, you've all made me feel alot better now, and given me a kick up the ar*e, and maybe I'll get out more often.
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Nov 22, 2009 17:22 |  #13

Have at it, Barrie! After all, it just costs a little time to experiment.

Remember what I suggested earlier: try some positive Flash Exposure Compensation...

-js


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Nov 23, 2009 18:13 |  #14

number six wrote in post #9063165 (external link)
Makes hair grow on your palms, too, and you'll eventually go blind.

Well, my vision is definitely not what it used to be.

Rick "with hair everywhere but his palms" Denney


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Nov 24, 2009 14:46 |  #15

Hi, Rick! Haven't seen you around for a while...


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