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Dec 30, 2009 07:18 |  #1

Wanting to get away from the existing light mode while shooting basketball, I bounced two speedlights off the ceiling. The walls weren't an option. First it was a huge gym and second, the walls were a darker gray. Couldn't get enough light onto the court. So instead, I placed both speedlights together and mounded them to a gas line that went up the wall behind and to the left of the basket. Fired at half output to keep relatively fast recycle times. Shot at 250, f/3.2, ISO 640 using 70-200 2.8. Here are the pics. Any and all CC welcome.


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Dec 30, 2009 08:34 |  #2

First shot looks like it's a soccer match XD


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Dec 30, 2009 09:48 |  #3

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First shot looks like it's a soccer match XD

You're right...same body language. She is trying to save a ball from going out-of-bounds. Thanks for looking.


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Dec 30, 2009 11:01 |  #4

Next time try using the two lights in different locations to reduce the shadows.


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Dec 30, 2009 12:10 |  #5

That really helped the lighting - I use an 85 1.8 to get BB shots, but have had differing opinions on use of a flash during a game.




  
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Dec 30, 2009 15:14 |  #6

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That really helped the lighting - I use an 85 1.8 to get BB shots, but have had differing opinions on use of a flash during a game.

A couple of AD's told me that the coaches usually don't like flash. Bouncing them off a wall or ceiling, I have had no complaints. Actually, yesterday's game had seven different shooters there and three or four didn't even have the courtesy to refrain from firing off their on camera strobes while the girls were shooting free-throws. That's an easy way to ruin it for everyone. Even the local paper uses a direct flash approx. seven feet high, just off the sideline, between the key and baseline. I don't know - seems like it might be annoying to me. I was also surprised by the number of people taking shots.


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Dec 30, 2009 16:01 |  #7

I hear a whistle coming on #2! My neice plays and watching the girls HS games are a true exercise in patience with all the fouls, tieups and possession arrow to get the ball back.

Pics are pretty good! Nice job.

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Dec 30, 2009 17:41 |  #8

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I hear a whistle coming on #2! My neice plays and watching the girls HS games are a true exercise in patience with all the fouls, tieups and possession arrow to get the ball back.

Pics are pretty good! Nice job.

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Thanks Dave. The girls were fired up:) and technique sometimes takes a back seat. About the shots - I'm beginning to think that more power, i.e. AB 800's or so, is the only way to go. I was hoping that that wouldn't be the case. I really like the "pop" flash provides and would love to stay with what I have.


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Dec 31, 2009 01:27 |  #9

# 2 also looks like a few soccer matches I've seen.

Is it me or my monitor, but is the WB in #2 a tad on the cool side? Is it because they are closer to the strobes and you had a WB set to be a bit warmer to account for ambient?

For those that shoot BB strobed all the time, is that a concern? I'll be shooting boys youth BB a week from Friday for the first time with two strobes and I was just wondering.


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Dec 31, 2009 07:09 |  #10

ChasWG wrote in post #9294621 (external link)
# 2 also looks like a few soccer matches I've seen.

Is it me or my monitor, but is the WB in #2 a tad on the cool side? Is it because they are closer to the strobes and you had a WB set to be a bit warmer to account for ambient?

For those that shoot BB strobed all the time, is that a concern? I'll be shooting boys youth BB a week from Friday for the first time with two strobes and I was just wondering.

Yes, it is a little cool. I think it is from the reflection off the walls which were blue/grey. In another gym where I've used a similar setup, except I bounced off off-white walls since the ceiling is black, I don't get that occurring. Good luck with you shoot tomorrow.


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Dec 31, 2009 16:17 |  #11

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Yes, it is a little cool. I think it is from the reflection off the walls which were blue/grey. In another gym where I've used a similar setup, except I bounced off off-white walls since the ceiling is black, I don't get that occurring. Good luck with you shoot tomorrow.

Ah, I understnd now. The gyms I shoot in are either a light yellowish or a tanish color. Dreadfull actually. But if I bounce off of them I'll WB to a warmer setting. Testing for sure. I'd love to see some simple white walls.
The game is in a week from Friday (the 8th) No one wants to play on New Years day, unless it's a bowl game, and that's all together different. ;)


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Dec 31, 2009 16:41 |  #12

Looks like you got some pretty good light out of them! Looks like there's a little bit of blur there, but there's not much you can do at half power. If you went any lower power, you'd be having trouble getting far enough over your ambient.

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Next time try using the two lights in different locations to reduce the shadows.


What shadows?


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Dec 31, 2009 20:37 |  #13

[QUOTE=DDCSD;9298436]L​ooks like you got some pretty good light out of them! Looks like there's a little bit of blur there, but there's not much you can do at half power. If you went any lower power, you'd be having trouble getting far enough over your ambient.

Thanks Derek. I was hoping I could get away with my small units, however, I think I'll need more power to get the kind of results I want. BTW, Happy New Year!


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Dec 31, 2009 20:42 |  #14

ChasWG wrote in post #9298309 (external link)
Ah, I understand now. The gyms I shoot in are either a light yellowish or a tanish color. Dreadfull actually. But if I bounce off of them I'll WB to a warmer setting. Testing for sure. I'd love to see some simple white walls.
The game is in a week from Friday (the 8th) No one wants to play on New Years day, unless it's a bowl game, and that's all together different. ;)

White walls...now there's a concept. Enjoy tomorrow's games and Happy New Year! Hope you have a great year of shooting:)


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Thanks Derek. I was hoping I could get away with my small units, however, I think I'll need more power to get the kind of results I want. BTW, Happy New Year!

Yeah, that's why I went with AB's. You just don't get enough light out of the the speedlites to bounce them and get a quick enough flash duration, unless you use about 4 of them! :lol: They work great when you shoot them direct, I just don't personally like the direct flash look.

It looks like you did pretty decent though. Good enough to get some keepers.


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