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Canon 5D Mark II vs Medium Format Body?

 
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Jan 09, 2010 10:54 |  #1

I am considering upgrading to a Full Frame or Medium Frame Body. Can anyone with experience with both give me some pointers and or examples of why to buy one or the other?
I will be keeping my 50D. I shoot anything from studio, sports, street to landscaping.

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Jan 09, 2010 10:55 |  #2

What do you feel you need the MF body for?


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Jan 09, 2010 11:19 |  #3

Edbray- Thanks for the reply.
I notice many full time pros who use MF. Shooting in low light will be a big plus with either body. The image perspective and coverage of the FF appeals to me. The more I shoot in low light the more interested I am in seeing what I can do. Speed (fps) for sports I am guessing the 50D can hold it's own in that area?


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Jan 09, 2010 11:26 as a reply to  @ marivil's post |  #4

Well there are pros who use 5D2s as well ;)

If you went 5D2 which produces excellent IQ you could use your current collection of glass, especially the L lenses. An MF route would mean quite a lot of re-tooling I would say.

Have you shot MF before?


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Jan 09, 2010 11:36 |  #5

Is "medium frame" the same as "medium format"? Medium format digital cameras cost $$$$$$$.

Image perspective (angle of view) depends on lens focal length; for example 50mm on full-frame body gives the same angle of view as 100mm lens on medium format body.

Fast lenses ease use of any body in low light; format doesn't matter.




  
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Jan 09, 2010 11:45 as a reply to  @ siriusdogstar's post |  #6

I'm curious about medium format as well, but just don't see myself spending that kind of cash. I'd love to get a tilt-shift lens or two instead.

Unless you have a specific need for medium format, I'd go with the 5dII. Should give you a lot more versatility and cost a lot less. I have not found a great need for more detail than the 5dII provides in my photos and feel that my skills hold me back much more than the camera.

You'll love the 5dII, by the way. There's a great deal more information in those files than you'll find in the 50d--at least that's what I found in relation to the 40d to 5dII.


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Jan 09, 2010 12:28 |  #7

A TSE lens can increase your resolution considerably if you need it!

Aside from it's normal uses, correcting verticals, adjusting the plane of focus there is another fantastic use for a TSE lens, you can expand the sensor size and resolution to MF standards, if you shoot in portrait mode on a 1Ds3 or 5DMk2 and take a 12 degree shifted image to the left and right, and stitch them together you will end up with an image 7226 x 5627 pixels and a 116MB file.

This is a full size representation of a three image stitch that I have took today on the 90mm TS-E in portrait mode with 11, 0, 11 degrees of shift and resized for the web. This gives an angle of view along the horizontal similar to that of a 60mm lens.

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Jan 09, 2010 12:39 |  #8

You can do portrait panos with any lens, albeit you'd have to carefully correct for distortion in each panel before stitching or just do large overlaps and forego having to do any distortion correction.


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Jan 09, 2010 12:39 |  #9

I think this is an interesting thread. I know that the likeliness of this occuring are less than slim, but can anyone set up a comparison with 100% crops of a 5DII and a medium format?


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Jan 09, 2010 12:56 |  #10

mritchy wrote in post #9358875 (external link)
I think this is an interesting thread. I know that the likeliness of this occuring are less than slim, but can anyone set up a comparison with 100% crops of a 5DII and a medium format?

Better hope Tareq sees this thread then!


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Jan 09, 2010 13:56 |  #11

Is there a language misunderstanding here? Wondering if OP is referring to "Medium Frame" and meaning APS-H as in 1D Mark III - as opposed to Medium Format. The reference to low light makes me think that as medium format isn't good at high ISO at all, nor at sports of course.


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Jan 09, 2010 14:19 |  #12

first of all, what is "medium-frame"? lol. a crop body or a medium format body. if its medium format, then i think the 5dii is close enough in pure resolution to an MF camera that its not worth re-tooling your entire setup. on the other hands, there are things that simply cannot be matched by a 35mm size sensor nomatter how many pixels you cram onto it. low light high-iso is horrible on medium format cameras, idk why that is because delta 3200 on MF looks waaay better than delta 3200 on 35mm but i guess that hasnt translated to digital yet. tonality and shadow detail and dynamic/contrast range are simply better with medium format, noone will convince me different in this day and age.

it all depends what your uses are and how much money you are willing to spend. if you're passion is landscapes then no, a 5dii will not match up to a good medium format system. but be prepared to sell your kidney.


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Jan 09, 2010 14:29 as a reply to  @ kauffman v36's post |  #13

siriusdogstar wrote in post #9358565 (external link)
Image perspective (angle of view) depends on lens focal length; for example 50mm on full-frame body gives the same angle of view as 100mm lens on medium format body.

Perspective and angle of view are quite different things. Perspective depends entirely upon the distance to the subject.




  
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Jan 09, 2010 15:09 |  #14

I used a leaf aptus II back on a phase one 645 body, and the quality of the images was unbeleiveable.. If I was big into studio stuff and could afford a MF with that leaf back I'd snap it up staright away!!!


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Jan 09, 2010 15:53 |  #15

mritchy wrote in post #9358875 (external link)
I think this is an interesting thread. I know that the likeliness of this occuring are less than slim, but can anyone set up a comparison with 100% crops of a 5DII and a medium format?

imagine a comparison between a cropper and FF its the same deal. obvious gain in quality. If i had a mamyia set up id buy the phase one back in a jiffy instead of a dsmk4 for example. however im very excited to see what they come up with from canon, is it around 32mp I might sell all my stuff and go MF.

its the same as when the 40d came with 10mp then the 50d at 15 and everybody screams its to much for such a small sensor. i think 32mp might be too much for such a small sensor (FF) but then again they cram 60+ into the MF these days


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