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5d mkII sharpness issues

 
Watermelon
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Jan 10, 2010 01:12 |  #1

To me it seems like I have put a ton of money into a great camera, but I dont feel like I am getting results worthy of a $2700 camera with an $1100 lens (24-105L).

Here is an example with the 5DII + 24-105L@24
1/160th
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While this picture is decently sharp, It doesnt seem to be much better than my old Rebel XTI + tamron 18-250 that cost under $1000

XTI example
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I know there are many factors that can contribute, but its not just a few pics that make me feel this way, its several hundred that I seem to be less than satisfied with for the caliber of camera this is supposed to be. Am I just being nit-picky?

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Jan 10, 2010 01:23 |  #2

Are most of these "disappointing" photos architectural?

Using my XTI with my current lenses I will still see a drastic difference in IQ. Mind you I'd shoot "human" subjects at wider aperatures. Stopping down the aperture with proper exposure you can get wonderful photos with many digital bodies.


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Jan 10, 2010 01:28 |  #3

These are both live subjects I shot when I first got the camera and I just cant seem to recreate this level of sharpness.

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Jan 10, 2010 01:30 as a reply to  @ AlanU's post |  #4

Someone could use a point and shoot in those situations and with good post processing, would get a web-sized picture that would be almost indistinguishable from any SLR.


  
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Jan 10, 2010 01:32 |  #5

After all, do you know the difference between xti and 5d2 before you buy it?


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Jan 10, 2010 01:37 |  #6

What is the issues, can you show it?


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Jan 10, 2010 01:38 |  #7

Watermelon wrote in post #9362804 (external link)
These are both live subjects I shot when I first got the camera and I just cant seem to recreate this level of sharpness.

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Thats odd that you cannot recreate high IQ with the 5dmkII. Are you shooting Jpeg? Not gonna get into a raw vs. jpeg debate..... I do not have any problems with IQ with the 5dmkII shooting jpeg. Have you adjusted the "sharpness" in the picture style(if you shoot jpeg)?

I find my image quality has jumped using the 5dmkII vs the 5d classic. This is a substantial boost in IQ especially if I compare my xti w/ 24-70L vs. 5dmkII w/ same lens.


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Jan 10, 2010 01:44 |  #8

Ferrari_Alex wrote in post #9362837 (external link)
What is the issues, can you show it?

I also don't fully understand your issue. Are you hoping for pictures even sharper than your rebel when viewed at web size? Also would lens calibration have anything to do with it?


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Jan 10, 2010 02:00 |  #9

shutter speed.... shutter speed, shutter speed....try upping your shutter speed.... you cant compare a shot taking in bright sun where the shutter could have been 1/1000 to i indoor pic where you couldn't be over 1/200 and if sharpness is your main focus try a 50mm 1.8 ii... that $100 lens will own the $1000 lens you're using if sharpness is your main focus


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Jan 10, 2010 03:08 |  #10

str8addicted wrote in post #9362902 (external link)
shutter speed.... shutter speed, shutter speed....try upping your shutter speed.... you cant compare a shot taking in bright sun where the shutter could have been 1/1000 to i indoor pic where you couldn't be over 1/200 and if sharpness is your main focus try a 50mm 1.8 ii... that $100 lens will own the $1000 lens you're using if sharpness is your main focus

I think for the picture that the OP post, the shutter speed looks pretty good already. I've never play with 24-105L, but i played with 24-70L, It think the 24-70mm can beat 50mm 1.8 even at 2.8(wide open for 24-70mm) in image sharpness, they come close, but still the L is better.


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Jan 10, 2010 03:50 |  #11

I don't think shutter speed is a problem, he is in broad daylight there.


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Jan 10, 2010 04:32 |  #12

Watermelon wrote in post #9362756 (external link)
To me it seems like I have put a ton of money into a great camera, but I dont feel like I am getting results worthy of a $2700 camera with an $1100 lens...While this picture is decently sharp, It doesnt seem to be much better than my old Rebel XTI + tamron 18-250 that cost under $1000.

Most likely, you've discovered a couple of points about DSLR photography: there is very little bad equipment, and money doesn't buy results.

High-dollar equipment has advantages over low-dollar equipment only at the extremes of performance and durability. Spending thousands of dollars, rather than hundreds, might help if you need something with a very long focal length, fast-working autofocus, an advantage at a very high ISO, or something that would work through inclement weather or survive a long drop. But in a standard daylight setting, there won't be much difference between a XTi and anything else that Canon makes. That's one reason why many people don't chase after every new body and lens on the market, and concentrate on getting images rather than getting equipment.

You wouldn't be the first person on this forum to learn that expensive stuff doesn't perform miracles, and maybe there wasn't anything wrong with what they already owned. One good approach is to assume that you haven't mastered a camera until you're worn it out -- twice. :)




  
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Jan 10, 2010 04:43 |  #13

You can't compare cameras with a computer. Not at 'fit to window' and not at 100%. The advantage of the full frame is in print making, when for the same 20x30 print the FF is enlarged 20X and the cropper is enlarged 33X. If you only want to post to the web or to make small prints, you wasted your money.


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Jan 10, 2010 05:35 |  #14

The images you posted look sharp on my monitor. This is probably where a bit of pixel peeping would hi-light the difference between the results from your 5D2 and XTi. I can compare some of my 5D2 results with photos shot on my 40D and I can imagine that the 40D's were sharper. What you must do is convince yourself that the lens is focussing correctly and carry out a micro adjust if necessary. Then it is all down to your skills and techniques. I have no doubt that your camera has the potential for great shots and many that could not be achieved with your XTi.


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Jan 10, 2010 06:33 |  #15

I think you will find that a larger sensor will better represent the resolving power of the lens. It looks soft because it is and less so with a smaller sensor. The only way to maximize sharpness with 5DII is by using a tripod and a lens that can resolve as well or better than the sensor. I have a couple of lenses that out resolve the sensor and it makes a visible difference in the result.




  
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