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Jun 02, 2009 15:24 |  #46

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Wow, just 3 lights and no post production for pure white background for a full body shoot. Thanks again for sharing Robert. I am pretty sure this thread will increase the sales of those deflectors, before reading this thread, I don't even know what a "deflector" is :)

You don't need those deflectors, or even 3 lights. Use your imagination.




  
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Jun 02, 2009 18:32 |  #47

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:rolleyes: thinking I can mod something like this for a flash?? A reflector and a deflector...

hey, you beat me to that, I was already thinking about making some kind of "circle or rectangle" stuff in the middle of my stofen for my flash but I am not a handy guy at all for DIY. So please let us know what's your result.


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That is Great Rob, I think I should hit the button and buy another light as what that single light posted by John would be a pain in ass during full body shots or when a pose need more space.


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Jun 02, 2009 21:57 |  #49

Robert, can you please post a similar shot with a fair-skinned subject?




  
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Jun 03, 2009 00:18 |  #50

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Robert, can you please post a similar shot with a fair-skinned subject?

Sure thing John.

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Jun 03, 2009 00:36 |  #51

The first two have no reflections at the feet. Are they not on tile board, or how do you kill the reflections without overexposing the subject? Thanks for posting.




  
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Jun 03, 2009 00:58 |  #52

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The first two have no reflections at the feet. Are they not on tile board, or how do you kill the reflections without overexposing the subject? Thanks for posting.

Hi John,

Correct. The first 2 are not on tileboard. They were shot using white seamless on the floor. I don't like to get locked in to using one method or style. It gets boring real fast when you do that. As you can see there is no reflection but there are shadows to indicate position and directionality of the main light.


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Jun 03, 2009 13:38 |  #53

Thanks for the info. It's a very subtle difference, IMO.




  
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Jun 03, 2009 14:04 |  #54

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Thanks for the info. It's a very subtle difference, IMO.

No problem John. I think a great deal of lighting is based on subtleties, but those subtleties keep things interesting enough so as not to appear as if you only have one style.

I also shoot on white and don't always want to render it as pure white but it's all about controlling where the gradations happen and how much of a gradation. Sometimes, if not handled correctly it can appear 'dirty' or look as if the photographer didn't quite execute the lighting and the shot effectively.

At times it makes things a lot easier to shoot on gray because the gradations don't appear the same and don't make you feel that something went wrong with the lighting.

But like anything else, it's all about the intent of the photographer, model, art director, etc.


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Jun 03, 2009 20:41 |  #55

I'm just an amateur trying to see what I can do with a couple lights, so I'm not the least bit concerned about my perceived "style" (I only do family and friends for free, and sometimes they get what they paid for). I do appreciate all your info and advice, though. This is a great place to learn for beginners such as myself, thanks to members like you.




  
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Jun 15, 2009 13:09 |  #56

Robert,
Is this the type that would work for AB's?http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …sku=38434&is=RE​G#features (external link)




  
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Jun 15, 2009 13:18 |  #57

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Is this the type that would work for AB's?http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …sku=38434&is=RE​G#features (external link)

Yes it is.

Although I don't post or maintain this blog I had started a while back, I do leave it online and active.

Here is a complete list of Norman accessories that can be used with Alien Bees strobes. I was very much into those modifiers and accessories when I was using Bees.

All the Type 1 reflectors will fit and it opens up a lot of possibilities.

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Feb 01, 2010 13:48 as a reply to  @ TMR Design's post |  #58

Rob, a couple of questions:
- which elinchrom lights could be used for BG lighting? After using the reflector/deflector setup, is much power needed at 4 feet from a 9 foot background? She usually shoots at F7ish.
- which stands are you using? I am not sure what "autopole" is.
- when metering the background and not "incident", are you shielding the meter from the strobe? I am having trouble understanding all the jargon. :)

Sorry if these questions are somewhat weird. My wife is the photographer and I am looking into surprising her with some equipment to help get better results with the seamless white background.

Thanks,
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Feb 01, 2010 14:41 |  #59

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Rob, a couple of questions:
- which elinchrom lights could be used for BG lighting? After using the reflector/deflector setup, is much power needed at 4 feet from a 9 foot background? She usually shoots at F7ish.
- which stands are you using? I am not sure what "autopole" is.
- when metering the background and not "incident", are you shielding the meter from the strobe? I am having trouble understanding all the jargon. :)

Sorry if these questions are somewhat weird. My wife is the photographer and I am looking into surprising her with some equipment to help get better results with the seamless white background.

Thanks,
Craig

Hi Craig,

You can use any Elinchrom light as background lights. Even a D-Lite 2 is going to give you enough power in most situations.
BX250Ri's would work well. If you look around (B&H used department often has them) you can find the 600S or 300S which are the older analog versions of the RX series and quite often the prices are very good.

If budget is a consideration then either the D-Lite 2 or the BX250Ri would be all you need. Having more power in the background lights would be ok if they were RX strobes because of the wider range of control. WIth D-Lite's and BX or BXRi's you lose a stop of control. WHen I had 400BX's they were great but at times I needed the power lower for my background lights and I was limited so in the case of a small studio and 4 or 5 feet from the lights to the background then anything at 200 or 250 Watt seconds is going to give you all the power you need.

I don't use light stands for lights when I light for pure white. I use Manfrotto AutoPoles (external link) and the lights are attached to the poles using SuperClamp and SuperClamp hardware. I love the autopoles because they save so much floor space.

If I'm metering the backgrounds' reflectivity I stand at camera or subject position, point the 1 degree spot meter at various parts of the background to check for uniformity, and that's it. Ultimately I'm not concerned with small amounts of falloff from any other light source because it's completely insignificant in terms of contribution and the overall reflectivity is what's important.


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Feb 01, 2010 17:51 |  #60

Wow Robert, your details have paid off!!!
Have you had the chance to test on something wider than 9'?
If so, was it as simple as moving the BG lights to 5' or 6' out?
Also, can't tell from the pics - how large is the deflector and is it formed or flat? If you could take a pic of it mounted that would be great.

Thanks for describing the setup - I've had issues with off paper background shadow reflections on tileboard. This seems like a great way to hot up the BG outside of the frame.




  
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