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Mar 04, 2010 03:21 |  #6661

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^Yeah, I forgot to do it the first couple times, but I'm definitely going to take advantage of that now! I like your new portraits, by the way! They all look good!

Thanks mate! Yeah I gotta be sure to use it too next time I order something


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Mar 04, 2010 06:22 |  #6662

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dave63 i gotta disagree with you on the lg4x , when i first got my strobes i didn't have the wireless triggers . do you know how many times those cords got ripped out in one day. i went wireless the very next day.

wow.. those things do happen.. and when it does.. the light stand might fall over too.. right? depends on the size of the stand.. but i think wireless is a must !


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Mar 04, 2010 08:39 |  #6663

Regarding cords and light stands; I learned back in the hot light days, ALWAYS place the cord between a leg and leg brace then up to the light. That way when someone trips over the cord all they do is move the stand. As for the lg4x I used one for several years before the cybersyncs. They work well but it is necessary to take some care placing the cables. Tape on the floor helps, as does the through the leg placement.


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Mar 04, 2010 09:41 |  #6664

i have a 3 yr old running around and the only way i've found to get the cords out of the way was to install ac outlets in the ceiling. i even ceiling mount my strobes depending on the modifier of course, live and learn


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Mar 04, 2010 11:13 |  #6665

I spent some years working in television/post/film production and was a touring roadie for national acts, so I'm pretty good at dressing a set to avoid cable f***age. :D
Bear in mind, I'm not steadfast on the LG4X over the Commander thing; I just tend to be reluctant to readily embrace anything that has electronics and dense interfaces where there was none before, and things worked just fine. It's just been my observation that mankind, in its rush to make things more space-age, cool, multifunctional, small, and whiz-bang, tends to overlook a couple of basic things... like human interface and reliability.



  
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Mar 04, 2010 11:24 |  #6666
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gonzogolf wrote in post #9722909 (external link)
The ab1600 is almost too powerful for use in a lot of studio applications. Certainly too powerful for a small home studio and there are practical limits to far how you can turn it down. Especially given that there is a color shift at the lowest power settings. In a gym the extra power of the 1600 would be nice, but I think it also has a longer flash duration which isnt as good for stopping action.

Thank you for the insight -- that's sort of what I figured, but still nice to get other's opinions -- just ordered the b800!

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Mar 04, 2010 11:47 |  #6667

gonzogolf wrote in post #9722909 (external link)
The ab1600 is almost too powerful for use in a lot of studio applications. Certainly too powerful for a small home studio and there are practical limits to far how you can turn it down. Especially given that there is a color shift at the lowest power settings. In a gym the extra power of the 1600 would be nice, but I think it also has a longer flash duration which isnt as good for stopping action.

This question has been nagging at me, too. What would you--or anyone--suggest to be a practical, preferred purpose for the 1600, then? I don't anticipate shooting sports--although I may do something up in the mountains fairly soon (snowboard stuff)--and I have no major auto or giant product shots in huge warehouses coming up anytime soon..so, then...?



  
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Mar 04, 2010 12:03 |  #6668

If you want to shoot outside, to overpower the sun,the ab1600 is fantastic. By that I mean underexpose the mid day sky to the point of making it look like dusk. Also if you are doing warehouse work, or stuff like you mentioned. The extra power would probably be nice for your snowboard work though but thats a lot of gear to haul up a slope regardless of which bee.

Here is an example of the technique I was talking about. This was taken with the HO beauty dish at around noon on a sunny late fall day.

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Mar 04, 2010 12:47 |  #6669

Which I may want to do from time to time. In fact, now that I think about it, there might be an occasion to do that this spring/summer, with a sporting goods manufacturer. In any case, is the 800 strong enough to blot out the sun? :lol:



  
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Mar 04, 2010 12:48 |  #6670

gonzogolf wrote in post #9728089 (external link)
The extra power would probably be nice for your snowboard work though but thats a lot of gear to haul up a slope regardless of which bee.


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Mar 04, 2010 13:00 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #6671

This is all I could get out of my B800 in the original white beauty dish, while shooting a group - F/11 1/250th ISO 100

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I had to edit it to make it darker. It's time like that I wish I had the b1600 for some extra light.

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Mar 04, 2010 13:19 |  #6672

^Petey - Did you just change the hue and luminance of the sky in that pic and then use curves? It's been bugging me... Haha It looks amazing! I like the original, too, actually!




  
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Mar 04, 2010 15:22 |  #6673

I just order AB1600 i am thinking about getting another one of AB800. do you know where can i find a softbox and beauty dish for AB lights ? (rather than Alien Bee though , i mean the cheaper one)


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Mar 04, 2010 16:02 |  #6674

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I just order AB1600 i am thinking about getting another one of AB800. do you know where can i find a softbox and beauty dish for AB lights ? (rather than Alien Bee though , i mean the cheaper one)

Ebay Look for visico softboxes and octoboxes. The nice things about the AB modifiers is all the models they have now fold up. The cheaper ones do not, so if you shoot on location there is some extra work or hauling involved. The beauty dish from AB is pretty reasonable. If you really want to get some fun inexpensive modifers look at these http://www.skaeser.com …2-UMBRELLA-SOFTBOX/Detail (external link) I recommend them so often they should send me a new set :) 2 for $30 and they work very very well.




  
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Mar 04, 2010 16:04 |  #6675

dave63 wrote in post #9728380 (external link)
is the 800 strong enough to blot out the sun? :lol:

Only if you get it uncomfortably close (probably 3'?) meaning pretty useless for any sort of groups and that's through a beauty dish which is relatively efficient.
The B1600 is just ok if you use a softbox that eats more light at noon...at times you still want around 1000WS :)


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