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Mar 27, 2010 17:19 |  #16

Looks to be way too much noise reduction applied to that image you posted. It'll look less blurry if you leave more noise in the image.




  
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Mar 27, 2010 17:22 |  #17

benesotor wrote in post #9882929 (external link)
I realise using a flash is the best thing to do... but unless I buy one, I can't have a flash for wednesday.

Experiment with using onboard flash as fill flash. Expose for the ambient light and dial in a lot of negative flash exposure compensation. Even onboard direct flash can look good in moderation. :cool:




  
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Mar 27, 2010 17:46 |  #18

I mentioned using the popup flash cause it is nothing like the old popup flashes on previous bodies. Cut a couple pieces of plastic milk jug to use as diffusers and it will look really nice. You don't have anything to lose.


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Mar 27, 2010 18:31 as a reply to  @ post 9882929 |  #19
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Mar 27, 2010 18:33 |  #20

krb wrote in post #9882470 (external link)
A noisy but sharp picture is generally better than a blurry but clean picture.

+1.


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Mar 28, 2010 02:01 as a reply to  @ Amamba's post |  #21

Given the choice between the two options, I'll take noise over blur every time. Noise can be dealt with by exposing to the right and NR in post; there's nothing you can do to "fix" a blurry photo.

Pop-up flash isn't the most elegant solution, but it would allow you to shoot at a lower ISO and it's better than having blurry, motion-smeared images. You're faced with trade-offs no matter which way you go.


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Mar 28, 2010 03:08 |  #22

sorry. get a flash.


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Mar 28, 2010 08:41 |  #23

If your getting paid to do an event, and it's indoors - flash is a MUST.




  
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Mar 28, 2010 08:59 |  #24

mikeyp76 wrote in post #9886018 (external link)
If your getting paid to do an event, and it's indoors - flash is a MUST.

Not getting paid.

Anyway thanks for the tips on coping without a flash!




  
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Mar 28, 2010 09:05 |  #25

benesotor wrote in post #9882462 (external link)
Hard to explain in just a title, but I'm interested to see how photographers manage low-light photography (specifically events).

High-ish ISO + flash when proper.

Max ISO when necessary.

It's not rocket surgery.


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Mar 28, 2010 11:31 |  #26

cdifoto wrote in post #9886122 (external link)
High-ish ISO + flash when proper.

Max ISO when necessary.

It's not rocket surgery.

Is that a combination of rocket science and brain surgery?


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Mar 28, 2010 12:06 |  #27

In the shot you posted the trouble is that there is a lot of depth with their hands. If you'd cropped their faces the shot would look better. To get 1m/3.3ft of depth of field at that distance is going to be tough or impossible without a flash.

With moving subjects, a fast shutter speed is a must. Blurring pictures are throwaways so even Av with fill flash may not work, you'll get ghosting with a dragging shutter. If you're going to use flash there a fairly fast shutter speed is still probably a must, at least 1/60th.

Without a flash all you can really do is set the ISO high to 3200 or 6400, set the shutter speed to an acceptable amount and hope you can use a narrow enough aperture to get sufficient depth of field. With enough NR you can clean up 6400 or even 12800 in post up to a point. For people shots they don't need to be completely sharp, a bit of grain or mush from NR can help to clean up complexions.

Do try the popup flash. Used properly it can work, especially with an inexpensive or free (napkins, paper towel, milk carton, wax paper, tape, whatever) diffuser and/or bounce card (index/business card and rubber band works). Just bring a spare battery if you're going to use a lot of onboard flash.


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Mar 28, 2010 12:26 |  #28

Compromised variable for me is ISO like others have said.

And after that, would be light source, meaning that I would rather use a flash in most cases than completely lose the shot to motion blur.


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Mar 28, 2010 12:43 |  #29

I don't understand why new photographers are always afraid to use flash. I think everyone goes through this phase; I know I did.




  
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Mar 28, 2010 12:53 |  #30

Cesium wrote in post #9887158 (external link)
I don't understand why new photographers are always afraid to use flash. I think everyone goes through this phase; I know I did.

Well I'm not 'new' to photography as such, It's just not my full-time profession, maybe n00b was misleading. But I have shot events using flash, even in broad daylight.

And I'll happily use a flash when I can... it's not me not wanting to use one, it's me not being able to use one.
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