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Apr 02, 2010 00:04 |  #1

...its time for a longer lens isnt it? :/

Just something bugging me on the 100-400, I love it, i really REALLY do, but i find myself, due to what i primarily use it on, constantly cropping even at 400mm...

-sigh- Why do i like shooting birds...WHY?


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Apr 02, 2010 00:15 |  #2

why not try and figure out a way to get closer...set up a blind or something...


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Apr 02, 2010 00:16 |  #3

A blind or go shoot bigger birds...

You're fortunate, you can actually get closer to the feathered kind. The aluminum kind I chase? Not so much...


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Apr 02, 2010 00:17 |  #4

Isn't half the reason for having 18MP is so you can crop? 500mm equivalent would only cropping down to like 14MP, which is not so bad, really, is it?


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Apr 02, 2010 00:20 |  #5

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Isn't half the reason for having 18MP is so you can crop? 500mm equivalent would only cropping down to like 14MP, which is not so bad, really, is it?

this is true, but im cropping a lot more, and i lose a lot of sharpness that way (My 100-400 is not as sharp on my 7D as it was on the 30D lol)

Getting closer my problem has been with obstacles that mean i need to stay farther back or end up with branches in between me and my subject..I've come to the conclusion i need longer, but i dont know if 500 is really "longer" enough to justify it

So i've considered renting the new 50-500 OS and giving it a go to see how i feel about it at the very least


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Apr 02, 2010 00:33 |  #6

i don't know where you are shooting, or what kind of birds, but you could try and set something up...so the birds end up where you want them to be...


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Well, 500L is your next lens then....:) This is it. Even with a 1.4x converter on it I still have to crop with my 500L. You know what, the IQ is so out off this world that you don't lose details at all.

Here is some example and I know you will hate me for this. :)

Full frame shot and no crop and sharpening in DPP is at 10. Max resolution 3800 pixel. Below one is only 1024 pixel.

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Apr 02, 2010 00:39 as a reply to  @ TooManyShots's post |  #8
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This one is more like 30% to 40% crop.

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Apr 02, 2010 00:42 |  #9

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Apr 02, 2010 00:53 |  #10

wow very nice shot !! so detailed !!




  
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Apr 02, 2010 01:03 |  #11
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Sunapollo wrote in post #9917915 (external link)
wow very nice shot !! so detailed !!

For the OP, you need to save up for the 500L. You can try the Sigma 500mm zoom. Not sure if it can stand up to cropping. Is 500mm long enough? Depending how small the bird is. Something like a Kinglet you obviously need to crop no matter how close you are. If 500mm isn't long enough, you need to get closer no matter what because you aren't going to spend money on a 800mm lens. :)


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Apr 02, 2010 02:28 |  #12

You need either a longer or a sharper lens, but you will eventually need both. Unfortunately, going above 400mm gets you into a totally different budget  :p


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Apr 02, 2010 02:57 |  #13

Maybe you should start considering a Sigma 200-500. A little pricey, but it comes with a 2x extender and an LCD screen... Perhaps a 300-800 instead?

Get a 1-series and a 1.4x extender, or a 50- or 150-500, which is about a lateral move cost-wise while getting extra reach without having to spend $4000, and then start thinking of ways to get closer.




  
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Apr 02, 2010 05:58 as a reply to  @ toxic's post |  #14

You need a 500L


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Apr 02, 2010 09:01 |  #15

TooManyShots wrote in post #9917835 (external link)
Well, 500L is your next lens then....:) This is it. Even with a 1.4x converter on it I still have to crop with my 500L. You know what, the IQ is so out off this world that you don't lose details at all.

Here is some example and I know you will hate me for this. :)

Full frame shot and no crop and sharpening in DPP is at 10. Max resolution 3800 pixel. Below one is only 1024 pixel.



Here is a 70% crop version.

Sharpening set to 10 !!!!!!!


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