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Apr 05, 2010 12:26 |  #1
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Hey guys for a while I have been saving for the 70-200 2.8 non is and it seems it will take me until September. I can afford the 70-200 f4 Non is right now and I am wanting a new lens, as my 28-135 is SUPER soft, and not sharp at all! So should I just buy the f4 now and a 50 1.8 or buy the 2.8 and continue to save. I like taking pictures of nature, portraits, I also take some product pictures. Most of the time I am in low light and need a fast lens... so what do you guys think, I need help.... Sorry for making another one of these threads...


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Apr 05, 2010 12:37 |  #2

Based off what you said go big or go home. Continue to save as you have been, I think you will enjoy the 2.8 much more. The 50 1.8 is so cheap I'm sure you could get that soon after the 70-200 2.8.


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Apr 05, 2010 12:38 |  #3

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Hey guys for a while I have been saving for the 70-200 2.8 non is and it seems it will take me until September. I can afford the 70-200 f4 Non is right now and I am wanting a new lens, as my 28-135 is SUPER soft, and not sharp at all! So should I just buy the f4 now and a 50 1.8 or buy the 2.8 and continue to save. I like taking pictures of nature, portraits, I also take some product pictures. Most of the time I am in low light and need a fast lens... so what do you guys think, I need help.... Sorry for making another one of these threads...

You answered yourself..."Most of the time I am in low liht and and need a fast lens"

While I LOVE my f/4 IS when I think I will need the speed and twice the light...I use my f/2.8 IS.

The trade off is the friggen weight and size.

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Apr 05, 2010 12:47 |  #4

You didn't say which camera you have, but assuming it's a fairly modern one, I'll go against the stream here and say that you should seriously consider the f/4. Had it been a question of the f/2.8 IS version my answer would have been different but in this case you can go up a stop in ISO instead of having a one stop faster lens. You'll lose in noise, DOF and bokeh quality but you'll gain in sharpness, weight and size.


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Apr 05, 2010 13:03 |  #5

I owned an f4 non-IS. I eventually upgraded to a 2.8 as I was doing more theatre and stage stuff and the extra stop was a bonus. Since upgrading the other advantage is I can now use a 2X TC when I am doing my motor sports.

Its a tough call. I really want an IS but bought the non IS, as I would rather have a lens now and know I can upgrade when I have the extra dosh. I wont lose too much on the non-IS when I trade up.

So that would be my suggestion; f4 now, use it, when you have the extra money trade up. i
If you still feel you need the extra stop (and weight!!)


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Apr 05, 2010 13:59 as a reply to  @ Big G's post |  #6

If it were me, I'd pick up the f/4 and start shooting. If you decide to upgrade, you can sell it for very little loss (or none if you can find a good used copy). You can play with it until you have the funds for a 2.8 if/when you need it. During your time with the f/4, you can see what you might gain with the extra aperture. You could also sort of imagine what you would think of the extra size/weight of the 2.8.

That was my plan, anyway. I'm still very happy using the f/4 though, FWIW.

So, I guess +1 to Big G's post.


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Apr 11, 2010 21:16 as a reply to  @ theCOkid's post |  #7
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So I think I am going with the f/4, what macro lens should I get with it, I am considering the 50mm 1.4 and I want something super sharp and good for macro's, I can spend about $400 on this part. Thanks for the help so far


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May 02, 2010 22:11 as a reply to  @ CJM Photography's post |  #8
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Well It came down to the last few hours and I could not do it... I could not spend my money and get the F4, I decided as you said, Go big or go home, I also read a post that said,

The 2.8 can always be a F4 but the F4 can never be a F2.8

I knew that of course but I decided if I am going to spend so much money I should spend it on something worth it, and maybe in this time they will come out with a 70-200 2.8 Non-IS MKII (my number crunching tells me it will take me 8 more weeks to get the money) so do you guys think this is a good idea??


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May 02, 2010 23:15 |  #9

i have the 2.8 but I want to get the f/4 because it's lighter and about a hundred times easier to lug around your neck when hiking all day.


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May 03, 2010 07:41 |  #10

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So I think I am going with the f/4, what macro lens should I get with it, I am considering the 50mm 1.4 and I want something super sharp and good for macro's, I can spend about $400 on this part. Thanks for the help so far

If you're using a crop camera, get the Canon 60 macro. It's an incredible lens and well within your budget.


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May 03, 2010 09:56 |  #11

CJM Photography wrote in post #10109883 (external link)
Well It came down to the last few hours and I could not do it... I could not spend my money and get the F4, I decided as you said, Go big or go home, I also read a post that said,


I knew that of course but I decided if I am going to spend so much money I should spend it on something worth it, and maybe in this time they will come out with a 70-200 2.8 Non-IS MKII (my number crunching tells me it will take me 8 more weeks to get the money) so do you guys think this is a good idea??

If you need 2.8 I would definitely save longer for the MKII. Wide open ( which is the point right ) it blows away the MKI.


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May 03, 2010 10:12 |  #12

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If you need 2.8 I would definitely save longer for the MKII. Wide open ( which is the point right ) it blows away the MKI.

I believe he's talking about the non-IS version. If it's going to take him another 8 weeks to save the difference between an f/4 non-IS and an f/2.8 non-IS, it's probably over a year for him to have enough extra for an f/2.8 IS Mk II.

To the OP, I shot the f/4 non-IS all of last year, mostly w/ a 1.4x TC on it. I shot my son's lacrosse games. This year I sold the f/4 and bought an f/2.8 non-IS that I mostly pair w/ a Canon 2x TC Mk II, for lacrosse games. I'm very happy w/ the lens, and it's nice to have the versatility of a 200 f/2.8, a 280 f/4, and a 400 f/5.6. I'd love to have a 100-400, don't really want to spend the extra money on that, and I'm not getting rid of the 70-200 f/2.8 (unless I can find a great deal on a Mk II).


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Mk1Racer wrote in post #10112224 (external link)
I believe he's talking about the non-IS version. If it's going to take him another 8 weeks to save the difference between an f/4 non-IS and an f/2.8 non-IS, it's probably over a year for him to have enough extra for an f/2.8 IS Mk II.

To the OP, I shot the f/4 non-IS all of last year, mostly w/ a 1.4x TC on it. I shot my son's lacrosse games. This year I sold the f/4 and bought an f/2.8 non-IS that I mostly pair w/ a Canon 2x TC Mk II, for lacrosse games. I'm very happy w/ the lens, and it's nice to have the versatility of a 200 f/2.8, a 280 f/4, and a 400 f/5.6. I'd love to have a 100-400, don't really want to spend the extra money on that, and I'm not getting rid of the 70-200 f/2.8 (unless I can find a great deal on a Mk II).

Thank you very much, I appreciate it, I don't really care about weight, im 6'2 and my regular bag (with laptop and books ect.) is about 40 Lbs, I also have a black rapid strap so I'm not worried about that, the one thing I am worried about is weather I should go for the 2.8 or the F4 is, I would rather have the faster lens but the IS seems nice, I appreciate what you say about the 2.8 and it makes me want the 2.8 much more.


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May 03, 2010 10:59 |  #14

It's all about what you're going to primarily shoot. I shoot my son's lacrosse games, so IS isn't going to do a thing for me. Many here feel that the f/4 IS has better IQ than the f/2.8 non-IS. If you can use the IS, and aren't going to shoot a lot of action, the f/4 IS may be the better choice. I like the flexibility of being able to throw the 2x TC on there.

I did post a pic and asked for comments vs. a 100-400. The general take was that the IQ would be somewhat better w/ the 100-400, but not significantly. I could probably improve the IQ on the 70-200 + 2x TC by stopping it down. I'm very happy w/ the shots have taken with it, as well as shots w/ the 1.4x TC. I don't really pixel peep, and tend not to blow images up much past 8x10, so as long as I don't have to crop them much, I'm perfectly happy w/ the images I'm getting.


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May 03, 2010 11:14 |  #15
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I love my 70-200 f/4. It all comes down to: do you really need 1 more stop?

For me, personally, I only use it outdoors in bright light, so 1 stop doesn't matter. But if you plan to use yours in low light - go for f/2.8


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