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First time at soccer photography. How can I improve?

 
empenange
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Apr 09, 2010 22:43 |  #1

Last saturday was my first try at soccer photography. I had a lot of fun, and learned a lot. However, I have room for improvement. Any advice or suggestions on how I can improve my soccer photography for next time?

1. Goal line clearance by the defender.

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2. Attacker running towards goal.
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3. Defender wins the ball.
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4. Goal for the light blue team!
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Apr 09, 2010 23:03 |  #2

Shoot tight, crop tighter. Your shots arent bad, and definately arent bad for a first time. I have seen much worse from people making money shooting sports. Your shots are too wide. Wide shots in sports have their place, but not every one. Keep shooting and practicing, and search on here for examples of soccer shots.


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Apr 09, 2010 23:32 |  #3

zelseman wrote in post #9967447 (external link)
Shoot tight, crop tighter. Your shots arent bad, and definately arent bad for a first time. I have seen much worse from people making money shooting sports. Your shots are too wide. Wide shots in sports have their place, but not every one. Keep shooting and practicing, and search on here for examples of soccer shots.

Thanks for the feedback. I think I am going to rent a longer focal length lens the next time that I take soccer pictures. These shots were with my 50mm f1.8 lens.

Do you think the 100-400 f4 would be a good lens to rent?




  
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Apr 10, 2010 00:05 as a reply to  @ empenange's post |  #4

For that age and field size you definitely need at minimum a 200mm lens. The 100-400 would probably be nice but I have no experience with it. As suggested, you need to isolate and frame players much tighter. Shooting from closer to ground level also helps. Search the Forum and keep looking at soccer shots posted along with suggestions and it'll start gelling for you.




  
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Apr 10, 2010 00:51 |  #5

empenange wrote in post #9967561 (external link)
Thanks for the feedback. I think I am going to rent a longer focal length lens the next time that I take soccer pictures. These shots were with my 50mm f1.8 lens.

Do you think the 100-400 f4 would be a good lens to rent?

I had a feeling it was with a short focal length. The 100-400 IS is a good daytime sports lens. It will struggle with evening and night games as it only have a max of f/4 on the wide end and f/5.6 on the long end if I remember right. Like I said, it will be pretty good in the right amount of light. I normally shoot soccer at about knee level with a monopod. Subject isolation is key and avoiding distracting backgrounds. Good luck!


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Apr 10, 2010 01:27 |  #6

I agree with the comments above and would add try to shoot in portrait. I find I am able to better isolate the play I am looking at and it helps me avoid cutting off feet. I have only shot 2 varsity soccer games and used my 70-200 and I felt that still wasn't long enough because I had to heavily crop to bring out the players. I bought a 1.4TC but have not had an opportunity to shoot another game.

Anyway, here are a few examples w/ my 70-200 @ 200mm (heavily cropped)

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Good luck and keep shooting.

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Apr 10, 2010 07:38 |  #7

I will add I find your copyright very distracting (maybe a little smaller or towards the bottom). The others gave good ideas, and they look a little blown out (but that could just be since I'm on my laptop).

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Apr 10, 2010 09:30 as a reply to  @ Fosters's post |  #8

Thanks for feedback everybody. I re-posted the pics (below) after cropping a little tighter, auto-levels, a little bit of sharpening, and made the copyright smaller. Does this work a little better?

I definitely see the value in getting a longer focal length lens. Requires much less cropping to isolate the action.

Also regarding exposure, my initial thought was that the images were slightly underexposed. In the 1st picture it's hard to make out the details of the African American's face. My settings were in manual mode 1/4000, f2.8, Iso 100. Any suggestions on getting a better exposure? Unfortunately, this game was around noon in the cloudless Arizona sky.

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Apr 10, 2010 09:45 |  #9

i would say bring your shutter speed down to around 500-800 by upping the arpeture to at least 5-6-7 instead of 2.8 the details would be somewhat better imo




  
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Apr 10, 2010 09:46 as a reply to  @ empennage's post |  #10

Much better




  
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Apr 10, 2010 18:09 |  #11

Matt

Your shots look much better cropped and leveled.

+1 on Jimbob12's suggestion. I/4000 is awful fast. I keep ss @ 1/1000 and I haven't had any problems with motion blur.


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Apr 10, 2010 18:20 |  #12

If you are shooting in conditions like the pics you posted, the 100-400 would work well for you. The aperture changes from 4.5 to f/5.6 when you zoom out past 250mm, so you will need enough light to be able to shoot at f/5.6, 1/1000 or better. ISO 400 - 1000 should help keep your shutter up.
Another lens you might consider is the Canon 300 f/4.

In my opinion, you need at least 300mm with 400mm being much better. With a shorter lens you have to wait for the action to come to you and not worry about the other side of the field.

Good luck.
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Apr 10, 2010 18:43 |  #13

Good advice from all. I read with great interest because I experimented while shooting kids soccer ad had many of the same issues. I would like to thank all of you for your responses.


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Apr 10, 2010 20:55 |  #14

Thanks everybody. You've all given me something to think about for next time. I will post pics with the results once I'm able to rent a lens with longer focal length. I am confident with the help of your advice, the results will be better.




  
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Apr 10, 2010 20:59 |  #15

MT Stringer wrote in post #9970727 (external link)
If you are shooting in conditions like the pics you posted, the 100-400 would work well for you. The aperture changes from 4.5 to f/5.6 when you zoom out past 250mm, so you will need enough light to be able to shoot at f/5.6, 1/1000 or better. ISO 400 - 1000 should help keep your shutter up.
Another lens you might consider is the Canon 300 f/4.

In my opinion, you need at least 300mm with 400mm being much better. With a shorter lens you have to wait for the action to come to you and not worry about the other side of the field.

Good luck.
Mike

While reading the posts, the 300mm f4 IS came to mind as a good choice.




  
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