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POLL: "Are you satisfied with the AF of the 5D MK II"
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EOS 5D MK II - AF - let's try to clear this up

 
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Feb 14, 2011 10:42 |  #16

I would be happy if all of the AF points were cross type. The number and layout of the AF points is fine with me, but when shooting in low light I have to go with the center point only.


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Feb 14, 2011 10:43 |  #17

Can this issue,if indeed it is an issue be resolve with software?

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Feb 14, 2011 10:43 |  #18

I think its obvious the AF is the 5dc, 5dmk2 shortcomings.

I did a quick family/baby session on saturday and used PW triggered nikon speedlites with softbox and shoot through umbrella. Since I have no modeling lights in this situation I was quite disgusted in the 5dmk2 that day. The outer focus points in the low light that I was in really made wished I had a 1dsmk3 for rock solid outer focus points.


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Feb 14, 2011 10:43 |  #19

I don't think the AF is as bad as many make it out to be. It works, I've been using 5D's since I bought my first 5D classic back in 2006 so I'm pretty used to it.

I look forward to it being updated, but to be honest I have more trouble getting consistent focus performance from my 7D than my 5D MKII's. I use my 7D MUCH less, so it could be me, but it's a little scary.


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Feb 14, 2011 10:46 |  #20

Cesium wrote in post #11840768 (external link)
And none of this changes the fact that I was talking about Canon cameras in my statement. If you want a Nikon, go buy one. The D700 is a wonderful camera.

Yes, it is.

I don't know why people defend the AF system of the 5D2 so passionately. The AF system of the 5D2 is essentially the same as the 5D, which (with the exception of the 6 helper servo points) is about the same as the 20D.

The 60D has a better AF system than any of these dinosaurs.

Canon has a long history of very carefully parsing out various features to their various camera levels. In general, this is smart marketing. If you want somebody to spend $8000 for a 1Ds Mark III you need to give them a reason to pay that much more over a 5D Mark II right?

I just think they got caught a little by surprise. Canon was so used to eating Nikon's 1.5X CCD based lunch that they didn't really didn't see Nikon's level busting strategy coming.

The slow (3 year) cycle of these higher end cameras is why this remains unaddressed. You can see Canon's response to Nikon in the 7D, with more to come no doubt.


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Feb 14, 2011 10:47 |  #21

own my 5dc for more than 2 years now, had a chance to use a 5DII on a christening on a very poor lit church and i must say its impressive. never used the 580II that day. my vote is "yes"


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Feb 14, 2011 10:47 |  #22

What would be nice for canon to do is to spread out the 9 points and make them cross sensors for the 5dmk3. This would still keep the 5dmk2 as a prosumer body that isn't par with a 1dsmk4.

My comments are based on "thinking" like a canon bean counter. Its obvious a 5dmk3 should adopt a 7d AF system.


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Feb 14, 2011 10:51 |  #23

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Yes, it is.

I don't know why people defend the AF system of the 5D2 so passionately. The AF system of the 5D2 is essentially the same as the 5D, which (with the exception of the 6 helper servo points) is about the same as the 20D.

The 60D has a better AF system than any of these dinosaurs.

Canon has a long history of very carefully parsing out various features to their various camera levels. In general, this is smart marketing. If you want somebody to spend $8000 for a 1Ds Mark III you need to give them a reason to pay that much more over a 5D Mark II right?

I just think they got caught a little by surprise. Canon was so used to eating Nikon's 1.5X CCD based lunch that they didn't really didn't see Nikon's level busting strategy coming.

The slow (3 year) cycle of these higher end cameras is why this remains unaddressed. You can see Canon's response to Nikon in the 7D, with more to come no doubt.

We defend the AF system because it's good for what we bought it for ;) the Leica S2 has only 1 AF point and costs about 8 times as much body only.

The 5D MK II is a studio and landscape camera, neither requires the AF of a 7D, 60D or similar - both would work well with just one AF point - it requires accuracy.
Now obviously if you buy the 5D MK II for sports you will be disappointed, but then you bought the wrong tool for the job. Some people say it should so all well - well, there is the 1Ds...

-> Yes, opinion in the end. But still, a poll should be a decent judge of opinion. If the AF is really that bad the "no" vote amongst the owners should lead by a wide margin, right now it looks like it'll be about even -> which means some love it (good for what it does) and some hate it (expected more, should have maybe done more research or chose the wrong tool?)


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Feb 14, 2011 10:56 |  #24

AlanU wrote in post #11840811 (external link)
What would be nice for canon to do is to spread out the 9 points and make them cross sensors for the 5dmk3. This would still keep the 5dmk2 as a prosumer body that isn't par with a 1dsmk4.

My comments are based on "thinking" like a canon bean counter. Its obvious a 5dmk3 should adopt a 7d AF system.

-> "obvious the 5D MK III should adopt"... hmm, is it?

To be honest, from all the focus "issues" people had with the 7D because the AF system was too complex from them, I wouldn't necessarily say it's obvious.

Now while it would be a strong point for marketing, and surely a plus for overall performance, I wouldn't necessarily say it's "obvious".


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Feb 14, 2011 10:58 |  #25

I am an owner and the AF is not an issue with me but I may be an outlier as I use TS-E lenses mostly.

The other thing is I only have experience with the 5D and 5DII so I am hardly qualified to say much about AF as the rebels may "blow away" the 5 series in that department for all I know.




  
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Feb 14, 2011 11:00 |  #26

DetlevCM wrote in post #11840836 (external link)
the Leica S9 has only 1 AF point and costs about 8 times as much body only.

Why are we discussing rangefinders? Canon doesn't even make a rangefinder.

The 5D MK II is a studio and landscape camera, neither requires the AF of a 7D, 60D or similar - both would work well with just one AF point - it requires accuracy.

I think we'd be dumb as consumers to let Canon try to pigeonhole their cameras like that. I don't want to own fifteen cameras. Let's see....is this my macro camera or my portrait camera? I can never remember...

Don't drink the marketing Kool-Aid. There is no good reason the cheaper 7D should be better at AF than the more expensive 5D2. It was just Canon's usual witholding of features.

Now obviously if you buy the 5D MK II for sports you will be disappointed, but then you bought the wrong tool for the job. Some people say it should so all well - well, there is the 1Ds...

People always seem to think the 5D AF problem is due to 'sports', but I actually feel the biggest place the 5D AF sucks is taking portraits.

I find that when I use the outer AF points of the 5D or 5D2 with fast prime lenses at large apertures (you know, like in portraits - one of the things the 5D should be good at) I get a lot of missing.

And in low light, the outer points give up and hunt terribly.

This has nothing to do with 'sports'. It has to do with events, portraits...things like that.


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Feb 14, 2011 11:02 |  #27

I do like very much the 5d2 AF when best combining with 70-200 f2.8 IS II but not so good with 24-70L.


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Feb 14, 2011 11:08 |  #28

I am an owner and am happy with the AF. Apart from macro (which I don't think any AF does that well) I havn't found something it is not good enough for yet. I may feel differently if I made a living out of my photos, but for me it is good enough.




  
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Feb 14, 2011 11:10 |  #29

JeffreyG wrote in post #11840802 (external link)
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I just think they got caught a little by surprise. Canon was so used to eating Nikon's 1.5X CCD based lunch that they didn't really didn't see Nikon's level busting strategy coming.

The slow (3 year) cycle of these higher end cameras is why this remains unaddressed. You can see Canon's response to Nikon in the 7D, with more to come no doubt.

The problem with getting knocked off the top of the hill is that it is very difficult to get back on top. Nikon is not standing still and if Canon tried to match what the D700 has with the MkIII, the will once again get smoked with the D800. Canon has to be aggressive and look beyond their current competition.


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Feb 14, 2011 11:15 |  #30

its a matter of how you got up from the fall. we will see whats going to happen next.


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