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Feb 21, 2011 17:46 |  #16

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I have some critiques to offer. (Done per photo):

1. I like the high key shot here. It works for the groom, but there is such a large area of detail lost on the bride's left shoulder that it is extremely distracting from her image.

2. Left image: While the groom's pose is ok, the bride looks very awkward, like she's about to fall over, or is unsure what to do. The background is a bit distracting as well, with the dead grass, and random branches in the background, especially the one growing out of the groom's head.
Right image: The out of focus area here looks exaggerated for some reason. It looks like it was blurred even more in post production then the lens produced. The highlight around the bride's chin looks weird. The pose is great though!

3. I like the idea, but not the image. The hand not being framed, but rather cut off by their faces is hard to look at, their kiss looks extremely fake, like they are just two mannequins whose mouths have been placed next to each other. Also, since the b&g's out of focus faces seem to be the majority subject in the image, and are closest to the camera, it makes it hard to see much else.

4. Again, I like the idea, but the execution is confusing. The way you have positioned the bride makes her seem enormous compared to the groom. Also, her hand, well rather finger positioning makes her hand way less feminine. She would have looked more graceful if she was a bit behind the groom, and had her fingers touching. The pose you have the groom in is extremely feminine, not withstanding that he's being 'held' by the bride. The head turned is fine, but once you break the 90 degree axis, the pose automatically becomes feminine. I think over all, the image sends the wrong message. Also, the orange specular highlight to the left of the groom's neck always catches my eye.

5. This could work, but I'd like to see this pose with the bride tilting her head and not the groom for the same reasons as mentioned above. Also, the bride's hair coming out of the groom's nose isn't really flattering.

6. I like this idea as well. That being said, I would have liked to see the doorway centered in respect to the horizontal orientation, as it's off-centered aspect pulls my eyes aways from the bride and groom. Also, the background could be a bit more out of focus, as I would have liked to concentrate more on the bride and groom. The groom should have been turned towards the bride, either embracing her, or holding her at a forearm length away. The random plank on the ground is odd, and I'm not too sure about the bouquet(?) on the ground. Also, the bride's dress is blown out and lacks detail.

7. This one is a great pose, and setting. Except that the interaction between the bride and groom looks extremely forced, and it looks as though she is either trying to escape, or rip his jacket off. Her face isn't showing love, it's showing that either she just ate a lemon, or she's trying not to laugh.
maybe tilting her head, and not his would have helped. The background is also a bit distracting, with some very bright random points of light in the fence (the round holes and the large missing piece, not the slats). The table leg either needs to be removed, or cloned onto the other side. It looks really weird with one leg. The wine glass, and the food on the table are also somewhat distracting. The plant on their heads actually isn't too bad, but it wouldn't hurt to remove it.

8. Cool idea, but swap the rings. The reason is that typically guys are seen as wanting to avoid marriage, and that it's a burden, whereas women are thought to be obsessed with it. (Yes I'm generalizing lol). So in having his ring on the sad face, and hers on the happy face, you would reinforce subtly, this stereotype. Also, the binding of the book is not straight, and pulls my eye to it because of this. I would also clean up some of the more glaring imperfections in the cover of the book.

So overall, I am not trying to be a jerk about this, just offering my honest critique(s).

Thank you for the critique. It is honest and I feel there is a lot of weight in your post. I would love to comment on some of the things you mentioned and provide my input.

1. I agree. I did it without the flare, but still lost a lot of detail in that part of the dress. The bow is still blown, but I dont see how to prevent that in this particular situation.

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2. Right image - they were dancing. I agree with the background being a bit distracting, but I wanted to bring a little bit of the surroundings to tie it in a little more. I believe I shot fairly wide open with my 28, but I dont remember off the top of my head.
Left image, no blurring in PP. I had them pull their hands out to really accentuate the blur.

3. I feel differently about this image than you do. I actually like the subtly of the ring in the frame, and I prefer how their faces are rather than a smashed up kiss. I feel it has a lightness to it. I understand these are personal preferences, and I would love to see your take on how to improve it.

4. I see what you are saying here. Good points on it, and this will be a good one to tweak the next time.

5. I didnt see the hair until you pointed it out, but that is a good catch. THe head tilting makes sense too how you have described it. I think it had to do with how tall they were that made it a bit difficult, but there are always things to work around.

6. Fair points. The plank on the ground was actually "installed" in the ground as part of the walk down the isle. I will try to shoot more open next time, and Ill have to check my settings. I knew I didnt want to blow focus. I cant argue with the dress being blown, but what can I do in this situation?

7. This is funny you said that. This was actually their first kiss, so there is only so much I really could control. Too bad this is the pose you like the best, and I had nothing to do with it.

8. Ok, I get your point. This was a shot more to incorporate the groom's drama roots, not really a commentary on marriage and gender ideas. I like personally think the imperfections go well with the theme of the wedding - they were going for old/rustic feeling and decorated the tables with a variety of old books. The binding - I get where you are coming from, but I didnt want to crop it too tight.

Thank you for the feedback, and I would love to see some of your stuff too!

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Feb 21, 2011 19:29 |  #17

Can i ask you what kind of fill light you used for this shot?

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Thank you for the critique. It is honest and I feel there is a lot of weight in your post. I would love to comment on some of the things you mentioned and provide my input.

1. I agree. I did it without the flare, but still lost a lot of detail in that part of the dress. The bow is still blown, but I dont see how to prevent that in this particular situation.

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2. Right image - they were dancing. I agree with the background being a bit distracting, but I wanted to bring a little bit of the surroundings to tie it in a little more. I believe I shot fairly wide open with my 28, but I dont remember off the top of my head.
Left image, no blurring in PP. I had them pull their hands out to really accentuate the blur.

3. I feel differently about this image than you do. I actually like the subtly of the ring in the frame, and I prefer how their faces are rather than a smashed up kiss. I feel it has a lightness to it. I understand these are personal preferences, and I would love to see your take on how to improve it.

4. I see what you are saying here. Good points on it, and this will be a good one to tweak the next time.

5. I didnt see the hair until you pointed it out, but that is a good catch. THe head tilting makes sense too how you have described it. I think it had to do with how tall they were that made it a bit difficult, but there are always things to work around.

6. Fair points. The plank on the ground was actually "installed" in the ground as part of the walk down the isle. I will try to shoot more open next time, and Ill have to check my settings. I knew I didnt want to blow focus. I cant argue with the dress being blown, but what can I do in this situation?

7. This is funny you said that. This was actually their first kiss, so there is only so much I really could control. Too bad this is the pose you like the best, and I had nothing to do with it.

8. Ok, I get your point. This was a shot more to incorporate the groom's drama roots, not really a commentary on marriage and gender ideas. I like personally think the imperfections go well with the theme of the wedding - they were going for old/rustic feeling and decorated the tables with a variety of old books. The binding - I get where you are coming from, but I didnt want to crop it too tight.

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Feb 21, 2011 21:16 |  #18

Sam_M wrote in post #11885438 (external link)
I have some critiques to offer. (Done per photo):

2. Right image: The out of focus area here looks exaggerated for some reason. It looks like it was blurred even more in post production then the lens produced. The highlight around the bride's chin looks weird. The pose is great though!

I actually like this photo. I love the exaggerated DOF. The only thing I would have changed is I would have accentuated the brides ring instead of the grooms ring. The brides ring is usually the highlight in wedding photos.


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Feb 21, 2011 21:22 |  #19

drumsfield wrote in post #11888079 (external link)
Can i ask you what kind of fill light you used for this shot?

I just used a white reflector bounced back into them.

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I actually like this photo. I love the exaggerated DOF. The only thing I would have changed is I would have accentuated the brides ring instead of the grooms ring. The brides ring is usually the highlight in wedding photos.

I agree. They were dancing though and this is how they lined up. That is why I did the other shot with them kissing and her hand on his shoulder.


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Feb 22, 2011 00:02 |  #20

Very nice!


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Feb 22, 2011 15:53 |  #21

Red Tie Photography wrote in post #11887393 (external link)
Thank you for the critique. It is honest and I feel there is a lot of weight in your post. I would love to comment on some of the things you mentioned and provide my input.

1. I agree. I did it without the flare, but still lost a lot of detail in that part of the dress. The bow is still blown, but I dont see how to prevent that in this particular situation.

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2. Right image - they were dancing. I agree with the background being a bit distracting, but I wanted to bring a little bit of the surroundings to tie it in a little more. I believe I shot fairly wide open with my 28, but I dont remember off the top of my head.
Left image, no blurring in PP. I had them pull their hands out to really accentuate the blur.

3. I feel differently about this image than you do. I actually like the subtly of the ring in the frame, and I prefer how their faces are rather than a smashed up kiss. I feel it has a lightness to it. I understand these are personal preferences, and I would love to see your take on how to improve it.

4. I see what you are saying here. Good points on it, and this will be a good one to tweak the next time.

5. I didnt see the hair until you pointed it out, but that is a good catch. THe head tilting makes sense too how you have described it. I think it had to do with how tall they were that made it a bit difficult, but there are always things to work around.

6. Fair points. The plank on the ground was actually "installed" in the ground as part of the walk down the isle. I will try to shoot more open next time, and Ill have to check my settings. I knew I didnt want to blow focus. I cant argue with the dress being blown, but what can I do in this situation?

7. This is funny you said that. This was actually their first kiss, so there is only so much I really could control. Too bad this is the pose you like the best, and I had nothing to do with it.

8. Ok, I get your point. This was a shot more to incorporate the groom's drama roots, not really a commentary on marriage and gender ideas. I like personally think the imperfections go well with the theme of the wedding - they were going for old/rustic feeling and decorated the tables with a variety of old books. The binding - I get where you are coming from, but I didnt want to crop it too tight.

Thank you for the feedback, and I would love to see some of your stuff too!

You are welcome! Thanks for not taking my comments as anything other than critique.
For number one, I see your point, but there's a possibility that a scrim may have helped, but I'm not sure.

2. Makes more sense, but I didn't get the impression that they were dancing from the image (and obviously didn't know that haha), so I just commented on how it looked to me. Also, that lens has some crazy blurry bokeh!

3. Fair enough, and art is subective. Without having models to show you what I would do, I would say to drop the camera down so a bit less of their heads (being blurred) are in the frame, and so that the ring/ hand would be framed by their chins and necks. Something like making an arbor out of their anatomy haha.

4. Not a problem. I've been trying to be a stickler (for myself) as far as posing goes lately, and even though it's subtle, it can make a huge difference.

5. Exactly. I attended a seminar by David M. Deutsch, and he drove home a lot of good points about things like the head tilt, and hand placement and how it can emphasize femininity or masculinity.

6. Makes sense about the plank, but it can always be removed digitally haha. As far as the dress goes, well, you could use a scrim/ diffuser, double exposure, or if you wanted to get realy complicated, set up a shot with strobes to bring up the exposure of other parts of the frame in relation to the dress. Yeh, I wouldn't blame you for not wanting to do that lol.

7. Such is the nature of wedding photography. Or photography in general. I'v had shots I didn't like, that were just snap shots that people liked.

8. I figured it had something to do with that, but I love subtlty in photography lol, hence why I would have swapped the rings. Then again, some things can be plain old esoteric haha!

As far as me posting some work, sure! I'll dig through what I have this weekend when I really have some time, and post some up!


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Feb 22, 2011 21:05 |  #22

VERY nice !!!


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Feb 23, 2011 10:51 |  #23

Gorgeous set. I understand the critiques in post #12 & would myself appreciate having such technical advice given, but I believe your b&g will be head over heels over these shots. #4 bowls me over!


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Feb 24, 2011 14:43 |  #24

They're all nice, but I especially love the bride's ring shot, #3.


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Feb 24, 2011 14:44 |  #25

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I just used a white reflector bounced back into them.

Did you have an assistant? How did you manage the reflector?


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Feb 24, 2011 14:56 as a reply to  @ Peacefield's post |  #26

I think this is one of my favorite sets from you Bryan...Really nice all around.

Not to mention that I'm super jealous of your weather right now...Still have snow on the ground here...and I don't have any weddings until April :(


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Feb 24, 2011 20:53 |  #27

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Did you have an assistant? How did you manage the reflector?

Funny you ask Bob. I was a second shooter for this wedding, but the main shooter brought her fiance who helped a lot. When he wasnt able to help, the bridal party was more than happy to jump in. I used 2 from the bridal party when I was doing the portraits (the last post I did) - One holding the reflector and one shading my lens from the flare.

A reflector has become integral into my shooting style, and although it requires an assistant, I feel SO much better about my photos.

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I think this is one of my favorite sets from you Bryan...Really nice all around.

Not to mention that I'm super jealous of your weather right now...Still have snow on the ground here...and I don't have any weddings until April :(

Thank you very much Dave. I think this was my favorite wedding to date, and I was so lucky to have such a great bride and groom to work with. As for the weather, thats what you get living in San Diego, although we are supposed to have a wicked storm this weekend which may bring snow. Now I know all of you that dont live in SoCal find this normal, I have never seen it snow in my city in my life (I have seen snow, just not in my city).


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Feb 25, 2011 15:51 |  #28

mate, your style rocks!


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Feb 25, 2011 16:54 |  #29

Your exposures are dead on!




  
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