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Feb 21, 2011 11:08 |  #16

rob40wilson03 wrote in post #11884804 (external link)
although i guess big structures like that probably vibrate contantly, whether or not anybody's in them

That would be correct. Also it could have been caused by big air handlers to supply ventilation to the garage, elevators, cars on the street near the garage, anything like that. In fact, if the vibration causing your soft image were from a moving car in the garage at the time, with a 10 sec shutter, it would probably have been a lot worse.


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Feb 21, 2011 11:12 as a reply to  @ Lacks_focus's post |  #17

What about focus? The wide angle seems to be sharper on the parking lot.


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Feb 21, 2011 11:21 |  #18

Lots of variables here from the vibration in the concrete, to mirror slap, to even actual movement in the building that is pictured.




  
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Feb 21, 2011 11:24 |  #19

Shulvy wrote in post #11885002 (external link)
Lots of variables here from the vibration in the concrete, to mirror slap, to even actual movement in the building that is pictured.

Good point about the building moving... The movement would be worst at the top so if that same building is sharper further down that would indicate that building sway is at least partially at fault.


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Feb 21, 2011 11:30 |  #20

ah, i never considered the sway of the buildings as a whole... it was slightly windy that night. that building in the 100% crop is the tallest in NC, so im guessing it was the main culprit.

thanks guys, glad it's probably not my equipment... although i did JUST get a 7D, so i'll definitely test it out again with that!




  
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Feb 21, 2011 11:43 |  #21

Wide angle lenses, framing will show less camera movement.


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Feb 21, 2011 14:07 |  #22

rob40wilson03 wrote in post #11885073 (external link)
ah, i never considered the sway of the buildings as a whole... it was slightly windy that night. that building in the 100% crop is the tallest in NC, so im guessing it was the main culprit.

thanks guys, glad it's probably not my equipment... although i did JUST get a 7D, so i'll definitely test it out again with that!

Unless it was violently windy, buildings aren't going to sway enough from that distance to affect the shot. Under relatively calm conditions, that building shouldn't be swaying more than a few inches.

As others have said, it was most likely the structure on which you were standing. Shooting in downtown Chicago, I've run into that issue before. One way to verify it is to put your longest lens on and take a peak through the viewfinder. The ground you're standing on my feel rock solid to you, but the view through the viewfinder might be bouncing all over.


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Feb 21, 2011 14:32 |  #23

Another use for LiveView and 10x. Tells you how stable your set-up is.


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Feb 21, 2011 14:32 |  #24

I think the most likely thing here is mirror slap... 1/10 is right in the range where it can be a problem. I don't use the model the OP does, so don't know if it's prone to mirror slap or if the camera lifts the mirror at the beginning of the 2 second timer or not (some do)... But using mirror lockup likely would have helped prevent internal vibrations from effecting the image and is useful on shots from 1/30 to about 2 or 4 seconds. It varies a bit depending upon camera model, some have better dampening than others. Shorter and longer shutter speeds it's not too much of a concern.

Wind and subject or support movement are certainly other things that might have had an effect. A carbon fiber tripod is better at dampening vibrations than a metal tripod, for example. I'd guess a concrete wall would be pretty steady, but who knows. A large truck or traffic in a parking structure is likely to induce some vibrations. Fine vibrations are the reasons you don't want to rest a camera and lens on a car's window sill or hood or roof while the engine is running.... Or why it's usually better to handhold while shooting through and airplane or train window, being careful not to let the camera or lens touch any of the hard surfaces. Sometimes I'll lay a beanbag on top of a camera and lens, too, to further dampen vibrations. Mostly that's with long teles, though.

Another possibility is atmospheric effects. That can always be a consideration when shooting more distant objects.

I think the 24-105's I.S. is one of the more advanced types, that doesn't need to be manually turned off when used on a tripod. If so, then I'd have left it on. It can correct for small shakes like this, just as it does more noticeable movements.


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Feb 21, 2011 14:50 |  #25

I agree, try using mirror lock up next time.




  
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Feb 21, 2011 15:35 as a reply to  @ norf's post |  #26

try hyperfocal distance also. (?)


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Feb 21, 2011 22:08 |  #27

tomme wrote in post #11886601 (external link)
try hyperfocal distance also. (?)

sorry, what does that mean?




  
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Feb 21, 2011 22:42 as a reply to  @ rob40wilson03's post |  #28

Next time manual focus to infinity. Also...
Take off the filter if you have one, use mirror lock-up and 10-second timer or remote shutter. You won't encounter this softness ever again.




  
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Feb 21, 2011 23:51 |  #29

i didn't use a filter.... any idea why it's showing that flare?




  
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Feb 21, 2011 23:52 |  #30

rob40wilson03 wrote in post #11889591 (external link)
i didn't use a filter.... any idea why it's showing that flare?

Flare happens even without filters, lol.


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