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Colour Calibration - : Spyder 3 Pro - Can you turn on/off different profiles?

 
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Feb 24, 2011 20:49 |  #1

Q: Can you turn off Spyder 3? Can you switch between original (uncallibrated) and new (callibrated and oh so yellow?)

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Hi all, I've just calibrated my laptop with a Spyder 3 Pro - it appears to have made everything noticably yellower (even the next day with fresh eyes it still is very warm)

This is fine, as its how one of my clients has their screen. When I'm working on their photos this profile will work great, but all the other photos look wrong and to make them look normal on my screen would be to make them VERY cool on a normal un-callibrated monitor.
Thankyou in advance for any suggestions.
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Feb 24, 2011 20:54 |  #2

I'm not sure what OS or computer type you use, but color is calibrated using the tool but it's actually the computer that chooses the color profile created.
If you have Windows 7 you can go look in the Control Panel and look for Color Management.




  
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Feb 24, 2011 21:59 |  #3

Laptops tend to be pretty much the least reliable when it comes to being properly calibrated/adjusted both in brightness and color. Sometimes repeated calibration will finally produce a "best" result, but it is a toss of the dice.

Try doing it again once or twice. Make sure that your screen is not affected by artificial light (unless it is verifiably "neutral/daylight" light (you buy special stuff to get this).

The "acid tests" for calibration could be considered two-prong -- how does an image processed withing your system stand up when viewed on a good well-calibrated monitor, and then the real deal is getting a print done by a known reliable printer with no corrections done and comparing the print in good light (again either daylight or special neutral light) and seeing how they match. They won't be quite identical, especially due to the difference between the monitor's projected light and a print's reflected light but if everything "took" then they should be good enough, both in color and in overall tones.

Once you are satisfied, what is not any kind of standard is how your images will display on any one else's monitor -- uncalibrated monitors may be all over the place, as you've seen. An effective "argument" to present to someone could be just to bring a print along and say "this is how it's supposed to look". They may take the cue and tweak theirs a bit if they are "just a layman" when it comes to photography!


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Feb 24, 2011 22:29 |  #4

RandyMN wrote in post #11909020 (external link)
I'm not sure what OS or computer type you use, but color is calibrated using the tool but it's actually the computer that chooses the color profile created.
If you have Windows 7 you can go look in the Control Panel and look for Color Management.


Hi, I've opened the Color Panel, what should I do next to change my screen back to 'normal' - I'd like to be able to choose between the 2 though - To put it really simply, I wish Spyder 3 had an ON/OFF switch!




  
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Feb 24, 2011 22:57 |  #5

For a quick "neutralizing" of color profiling, you can set the system profile to RGB (or sRGB, whichever it comes up with). It will not be an accurate profile, but it should get you to a "starting over" point. Or, you could take a stab with the system built-in profile for a "plug and play" monitor. Just realize that if you ever want to have your monitor reliably match your prints you'll need to start the process over again.

If you do all your work on a laptop, the best suggestion would be to get a good external monitor that will take calibration properly.


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Feb 25, 2011 06:03 |  #6

punchretouching wrote in post #11908989 (external link)
This is fine, as its how one of my clients has their screen.

Is that screen calibrated?

punchretouching wrote in post #11908989 (external link)
When I'm working on their photos this profile will work great, but all the other photos look wrong

Might be because your uncalibrated screen is wrong. (too cool)

punchretouching wrote in post #11908989 (external link)
and to make them look normal on my screen would be to make them VERY cool on a normal un-callibrated monitor.

Uncalibrated = unreliable.

Post an image that looks good on a calibrated screen and post one that looks good on your 'uncalibrated' screen.

Or, to take the image out of the equation, use a "known good" image, such as can be found here: http://www.outbackprin​t.com …insights/pi048/​essay.html (external link)

How did you calibrate your screen (what settings)? What screen is it?


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Feb 25, 2011 07:04 |  #7

I think the "too yellow" is a common reaction to a newly calibrated screen. I haven't seen or owned a monitor that wasn't way too cool right out of the box.

This is not to say that your calibration may not be accurate.

The only true test is to have an image printed with no lab adjustments and compare.

Post some images as Rene suggested.


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Feb 25, 2011 10:37 as a reply to  @ bohdank's post |  #8

When calibrating a laptop, you should keep it brighter than an external monitor, perhaps 120-150cd/m2. And use the native white point. Don't try to force it to 6500k.

As others have already said... give it a couple days and your eyes and brain will adjust to it.

Get a good external monitor for photo editing.


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Feb 25, 2011 10:41 |  #9

punchretouching wrote in post #11909595 (external link)
... I wish Spyder 3 had an ON/OFF switch!

It does... It's the Spyder3 Utility.


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Feb 25, 2011 10:50 |  #10

ChasP505 wrote in post #11912050 (external link)
As others have already said... give it a couple days and your eyes and brain will adjust to it.

But only if it's really correct. If it's really way off they may not.

And use the native white point. Don't try to force it to 6500k.

Right. I have a Spyder3 and I had what I called a red cast before I found out how to set it for native white point instead of 6500k.




  
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Feb 25, 2011 10:53 as a reply to  @ ncjohn's post |  #11

Punchretouching, the Spyder3 utility puts an icon in your task bar (Windows) that you can use to turn calibration on and off.




  
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Feb 25, 2011 11:06 as a reply to  @ ncjohn's post |  #12

You can take the Spyder3 Utility shortcut out of your StartUp folder, effectively disabling it. You can use the SpyderProof function to compare up to four different profiles. Or, you can switch from one profile to another (at least I was able to when I used the old Spyder2 Pro software).


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Feb 25, 2011 11:49 |  #13

ChasP505 wrote in post #11912216 (external link)
You can take the Spyder3 Utility shortcut out of your StartUp folder, effectively disabling it. You can use the SpyderProof function to compare up to four different profiles. Or, you can switch from one profile to another (at least I was able to when I used the old Spyder2 Pro software).

Hmmm, I don't see anything about the SpyderProof function; maybe it doesn't come with the Express software.
In Windows 7, you can switch between any number of different monitor profiles: Those you create with Spyder, the default one that comes with your monitor, the default OS profile, etc. That can be pretty handy when you're trying to figure things out.




  
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Feb 25, 2011 12:19 |  #14

Laptops tend to be pretty much the least reliable when it comes to being properly calibrated/adjusted both in brightness and color. Sometimes repeated calibration will finally produce a "best" result, but it is a toss of the dice

Yep, that's been my experience as well. I don't own a Macbook, but my friends do and they say the calibration on those is pretty good. When I first started with the Spyder3Pro I tried for days to get a Samsung panel to calibrate. It never would look right.

After beating on it for days I finally gave up and bought an Eizo.

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Feb 25, 2011 12:47 |  #15

ncjohn wrote in post #11912503 (external link)
Hmmm, I don't see anything about the SpyderProof function;...

I never actually used it, so maybe I'm wrong. And... It's been so long since I used Spyder software I forgot the name of the utility that switches profiles.. It's ProfileChooser and the shortcut should be in the DataColor or Spyder3 Pro folder.


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