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Thread started 28 Feb 2011 (Monday) 14:25
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Feb 28, 2011 14:25 |  #1

I have Genesis 200 kit and would like upgrade to more light, I'm narrow down to this three. Which one would you pick out of these three? The genesis 200 will be lit the back ground after I buy one of this.
2 Genesis 400
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Feb 28, 2011 14:38 |  #2

I voted for elinchrom. If you don't need the stands or Portalites, you can sell them and lower your per light cost considerably.


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Feb 28, 2011 14:44 as a reply to  @ Dave Jr's post |  #3

Might as well go with the Genesis 400. Keeps things uniform, has all the performance of AB's at a lower price and none of the associated PCB drama... ;)


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Feb 28, 2011 18:27 as a reply to  @ JayCee Images's post |  #4

I'm leaning toward the Elinchrome.


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Feb 28, 2011 22:38 |  #5

JayCee Images wrote in post #11930872 (external link)
Might as well go with the Genesis 400. Keeps things uniform, has all the performance of AB's at a lower price and none of the associated PCB drama... ;)

^That.

If you're going to go Elinchrom then spring for the Bx-ri as it has a faster flash duration and you can change power setting remotely. The D-lites really don't offer much over the Genesis strobes in my experience.




  
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Feb 28, 2011 22:49 |  #6

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The D-lites really don't offer much over the Genesis strobes in my experience.

Yep... except a higher price and the inability to accept the better portion of non Elinchrom modifiers.

If your going Elinchrom, go big... otherwise, I don't think you're going to do better than the Genesis.


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Feb 28, 2011 23:00 as a reply to  @ JayCee Images's post |  #7

The D-Lite IT has a built in Skyport trigger. The Genesis doesn't have a built in trigger.

The D-Lite IT has a 5 stop range that is truly 5 stops instead of the Genesis 5 stop range that works out to be more like 4 stops.

The D-Lite IT has accurate 1/10 stop incremental controls. The Genesis has a strange curve and in various spots of the power range 10 clicks doesn't equal 1 stop and can actually only be 7/10 stop.

Also, the Elinchrom strobe can not only make use of the Elinchrom lightboxes but you can also use the deflectors, which prove to be very useful and at times very important. The Genesis does not have a central umbrella shaft and can't accept deflectors. It's definitely something to consider if you're attracted to Elinchrom modifiers.

Nothing earth shattering but it's good to know and may affect your decision depending on how important those things are to you.


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Mar 01, 2011 08:48 as a reply to  @ TMR Design's post |  #8

What do you guy think about the new Einstein 640 v2? I think I may go for the Einstein 640 v2.


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Mar 01, 2011 08:54 |  #9

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What do you guy think about the new Einstein 640 v2? I think I may go for the Einstein 640 v2.

From what I've seen and read it seems like it's a very good strobe with tons of functionality, features and great performance.


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Mar 01, 2011 08:55 |  #10

bexi20 wrote in post #11935418 (external link)
What do you guy think about the new Einstein 640 v2? I think I may go for the Einstein 640 v2.

I'm sold on them, but I didn't want to wait, so I went with BXri's.


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Mar 01, 2011 09:50 |  #11

I would go with the D-Lite. I am a big fan of the Elinchrom line, when I was looking for new strobes I was really looking for a system I could buy into and grow with and for me the Elinchrom line really fit the bill well.


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Mar 01, 2011 10:00 as a reply to  @ Damian75's post |  #12

I agree. Given the choice I would choose Elinchrom but if someone is seriously thinking of buying into the PCB product line then I think Einstein is the way to go.


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Mar 01, 2011 10:09 |  #13

I have a Elinchrom 300RX but now that I have some Einsteins I will say I'm kinda suprised how well they work. Using a cybercommander (remote control) you can take a light reading. Then afterwards you can literally dial up and down the power settings adjust your aperture on your camera and take a photo without re measuring the light. I was in shock how well it landed the exposure without re measuring.

Having my photoflex 5 foot octa high up (I'm a short person :) ) you can virtually control everything from the cyber commander. Even though Paul C buff is not so liked by many his product and support seems pretty good.

I dont even have time to really play with strobes to be honest. My kids take up most of my time. However with the limited time I'd use strobes I am seriously suprised how well the Einsteins work. The speedring securing system is OK but I much prefer Elinchrom's. The Einsteins have a minor stupid design in the sense that you have no real method of holding the strobe with a handle present. NO leverage whatsoever so you must hold your modifier/strobe before it droops as you adjust things.

I think as far as remote triggering and control the Einstein/cybercommande​r combo is pretty hard to beat in terms of functionality/price/co​nsistant color.

I'm still waiting for my VML battery packs.

when the pocket wizard PowerMC2 comes out I really want to give that a whirl. A quick 3 light system with the PW AC3 seems to be less difficult to use than the cybercommander but AC3 has limited control compared to cybercommander.


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Mar 01, 2011 12:50 |  #14

TMR Design wrote in post #11933747 (external link)
The D-Lite IT has a built in Skyport trigger. The Genesis doesn't have a built in trigger.

The D-Lite IT has a 5 stop range that is truly 5 stops instead of the Genesis 5 stop range that works out to be more like 4 stops.

The D-Lite IT has accurate 1/10 stop incremental controls. The Genesis has a strange curve and in various spots of the power range 10 clicks doesn't equal 1 stop and can actually only be 7/10 stop.

Also, the Elinchrom strobe can not only make use of the Elinchrom lightboxes but you can also use the deflectors, which prove to be very useful and at times very important. The Genesis does not have a central umbrella shaft and can't accept deflectors. It's definitely something to consider if you're attracted to Elinchrom modifiers.

Nothing earth shattering but it's good to know and may affect your decision depending on how important those things are to you.



Another issue with Genesis strobes is the modeling light as it protrudes quite a ways. It can interfere with standard elinchrom reflector/grid sets and you cannot mount a beauty dish unless you remove the modeling light.




  
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Mar 01, 2011 13:06 |  #15

I sold my Genesis 400's to go with Alien Bees and I'm much happier.

-I like the size of the Alien Bees better. Much easier to transport.
-No solid solution to power two Genesis lights on location with one source.
-My Genesis didn't play well with my Skyport triggers.
-The tilt mechanism on the Genesis sucks. The AB isn't all that, but a vast improvement.
-The wonky power adjustment of the Genesis wasn't fun to figure out.

These probably aren't make or break points, but I'm much more content with the Bees than I was with my Genesis.


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