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Apr 09, 2011 09:49 as a reply to  @ post 12189032 |  #3166

Okay... under the heading of; "This shot couldn't be any worse than it already is," there is one element I just needed to show you guys.

It started out as a shot of the web, and obviously, I have no clue how to shoot a web, which might be why you can hardly see it.... this shot is unprocessed other than a resize:


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But, as I started fiddling around in CS2 (with no idea how to fix this shot at all), and upon doing a 100% crop, do you see what I see? Is that really a smiley face on the bottom of that spider (or whatever it is)?


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Okay.. so it's not at all sharp. Who could resist a smiley face? And is that how it catches it's prey? By smiling at it upside down? Ponder that for awhile.... :lol:

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Apr 09, 2011 09:52 |  #3167

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@mitch great series, I opted not to bring a tripod with me on my trip and you are making me regret that with some nice long night exposures.

@annie that bird is freaking me out for some reason.

I woke up early since I crashed early last night and I have a little over an hour till sunrise, gunna ride my bike down by the shore and try to get a shot of the sunrising over the island, no tripod for me though so I won't be able to do a timelapse, or maybe I will....

Why's he freaking you out? And not to worry. He eats fish, not people.

Enjoy that sunrise. I think it's safe to say you have a very jealous bunch of net buddies today.


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Apr 09, 2011 10:00 as a reply to  @ eaglssong's post |  #3168

Okay.. getting serious here. I know there's been some talk about the use of ND filters. Yesterday, I received my el cheapo, knockoff Cokin P holder, adapter and no name graduated ND filter that I bought on ebay.

I went out for a few minutes this morning. Really nothing worth shooting, but I wanted to see exactly what that filter does, and here's the before and after:


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Now, I can see a big difference in the sky tones, but other than that, is there really much difference between this and a CPL? I had a Cokin system many years ago and got rid of it, and now I think I know why. It's annoying to have the system spin along with the lens, and then have to readjust it. At least for the square filters. I do think that would be much less of a problem with the round filters. Mainly though, I wanted to know about the difference between the ND and the CPL. Thanks y'all.

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Apr 09, 2011 10:02 |  #3169

LOL at the smiling spider. I think his eye was freaking me out, creepy looking.


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Apr 09, 2011 10:06 |  #3170

natums wrote in post #12189119 (external link)
LOL at the smiling spider. I think his eye was freaking me out, creepy looking.

Actually, their eyes intrigue me. The color is just gorgeous, and when the light hits it just right, it's like looking at a jewel.


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Apr 09, 2011 10:15 |  #3171

forgot to post this from the other day, lots of the flowers around here are infested, from a distance they look fine, but then you see this up close.

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Apr 09, 2011 10:18 |  #3172

AnnieBananie wrote in post #12189107 (external link)
Okay.. getting serious here. I know there's been some talk about the use of ND filters. Yesterday, I received my el cheapo, knockoff Cokin P holder, adapter and no name graduated ND filter that I bought on ebay.

I went out for a few minutes this morning. Really nothing worth shooting, but I wanted to see exactly what that filter does, and here's the before and after:

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Now, I can see a big difference in the sky tones, but other than that, is there really much difference between this and a CPL? I had a Cokin system many years ago and got rid of it, and now I think I know why. It's annoying to have the system spin along with the lens, and then have to readjust it. At least for the square filters. I do think that would be much less of a problem with the round filters. Mainly though, I wanted to know about the difference between the ND and the CPL. Thanks y'all.

Assuming the focus was the same in each it appears as if the ND degrades image quality a bit.

But ultimately you can't really compare a CPL and ND. A polarizer has a distinct purpose of reducing polarized light/reflections. It just also happens that because of this is cuts light by a stop or two. A ND filter is strictly just a piece of glass that reduces the amount of light coming through the lens.

Other than the reduction of light coming through each they really aren't comparable.



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Apr 09, 2011 10:20 |  #3173

While on vacation we went to visit a locally owned guitar factory. took these shots. With my lovely wife on the second picture.


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Apr 09, 2011 10:54 |  #3174

THAT is a lot of guitars........




  
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Apr 09, 2011 11:04 as a reply to  @ bobobird's post |  #3175

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Apr 09, 2011 11:46 |  #3176

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VillanuevaPhotography , Annie , marubozo , Rafa : Great shots :)

I've been very busy lately with all the uni's projects and finals , so these are a combination of old and new shots :) ,,


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Apr 09, 2011 12:20 as a reply to  @ miguel granville's post |  #3178

First off, great pictures everyone! I'm out of town for two days and there must have been 20 pages...nice activity! Seriously, we seem to have the most active thread on the forum.

Secondly, I may be announcing myself as an idiot but I just discovered something that most of you probably already knew. Taking pictures by using the viewfinder results in better pictures than using the live view. The T2i was my first DSLR so I came from point and shoot cameras. As such I really only had experience taking photos that way. I decided to try out the viewfinder today and WOW! was I surprised about the difference. The auto-focus is much, much faster. I did a little testing and it would take 1 to 1.5 seconds with live view where it would take maybe a quarter of a second with the viewfinder. I had posted an problem of burst shooting with manual focus (where it reduced the fps rate)...well this only occurs in live view and isn't a problem when using the viewfinder.

My message is this: if you are taking pictures like I was and have been using the live view instead of the viewfinder I urge you to try and switch. This has made my T2i seem like a whole new camera! I'm excited to get out and try it! Why didn't someone tell me this sooner!:D


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Apr 09, 2011 13:16 |  #3180

AnnieBananie wrote in post #12189107 (external link)
...but I wanted to see exactly what that filter does, and here's the before and after... is there really much difference between this and a CPL?

Annie,

A Neutral Density filter's only purpose it to cut the amount of light coming into the camera. A PERFECT ND Filter would have no hue tint, no quality degradation, no chromatic aberration, no fringing, etc.. So, two pictures of static objects (without any motion like wind, or water, or clouds), one with and one without an ND filter, would look EXACTLY THE SAME. NDs are not perfect, but the quality degradation on the good ones is almost non-existent.

What are they used for? They have several key uses.

The first is to allow much slower shutter speeds for subjects where you want to emphasize motion, like a Waterfall. Lets say you aim at a waterfall during the afternoon and you get a 1/250th f8 ISO100 reading. You know that at 1/250th, water instead of looking smooth will look edgy and you don't want that. What are your choices to get slower shutter speeds? Closing the aperture is one way to go, but if you go further than f8, you risk degrading the IQ due to diffraction. You can lower the ISO, but you cannot use anything lower than ISO100. At this point, you have no option but to cut the light coming into THE LENS. An ND 8x (3 fstop) filter would allow you to shoot at 1/30th, allowing a much nicer silky look. An ND 64x (6 stop) would require a 0.4" of exposure giving you the perfect silky look.

There are other interesting uses. Lets say you are taking a nice portrait of a bride outside. Its bright daylight! Of course, you want shallow DoF so you go for your 50mm f1.8 and set it at f1.8 (this is just a 'for example' case, I wouldn't suggest f1.8 for that :) ). You set it to highlight tone priority, so you don't blow the highlights so you have ISO200 available. Now, you take a light reading and your camera tells you 1/4000th is still not fast enough and you are still a couple of fstops overexposed (assume you are shooting in the surface of Mercury or on the Sun's own surface here :) ). You could, of course, close the aperture, but then you lose the DoF advantage! Once again, the only choice is to use an ND filter to allow for a 1/3200th and a correct exposure.

So, we usually have 3 ways of reaching an exposure. With Aperture, with Shutter Speed or with ISO. If one of them reaches its limit or your target mark (a specific f aperture or shutter speed) you still have the other two to play with. If the a second one reaches its limit, you are left to play with the third one. If that one reaches its limit, you need to resort to other means. When there is too much light, ND filters are one of the solutions, just like a Flash is the solution when there is not enough light.

So, you cannot compare images side by side, cause it will do no good. You need to compare them with the settings used. So, your first image probably uses a 1/60th or more, your second image probably got a 1/15th or less... I don't know.

To top all this, you have a GRADUATED ND filter... this follow the same idea but they have a different graduation on one side of the filter and, usually, no graduation on the other end. This allows you to filter light differently in one part of the frame than in the other. Their use is mostly for landscapes where you want the sky properly exposed AND the ground properly exposed as well.

So, I agree with Marubozo as to the fact that you cannot compare a CPL filter with an ND filter, they are not meant for similar results, and if you are not on those 'extreme' examples I pointed out earlier, the images between NDd image and noNDd image are going to be identical.

Hope this is more or less helpful? Also, nice to hear you are feeling better.

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