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Mar 13, 2011 07:22 |  #1

ok guys i really need some help with this, i have recently started using lightroom, but i seem to be having a few problems, once im happy with my photo edit and then send image to finish it in photoshop CS5 i save the image and when i upload it or open it in another picture viewer it loses like 40% of its colour the first picture is what i am getting once uploaded or viewed in another viewer and the second one is a screen print of what i can see what opening the image....please help me with this

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Also second problem, when i edit photos it seems to look pixely when zoomed in, im using an 18 mega pixel camera so im not sure why im losing image quality, please help
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Mar 13, 2011 09:48 |  #2

Three questions:
A. In what color space are your exports from LR and PSCS5?
B. What is the other picture viewer?
C. What monitor do you have?

If, for instance, you are exporting in a medium gamut space like Adobe RGB or a wide gamut space like ProPhoto RGB (A) and viewing them in an application that is not color managed (B) on a normal (narrow gamut, close to sRGB) monitor (C), you will have a loss of saturation and contrast. [Also, the opposite is true: an image in sRGB in a non-c.m. viewer and a wide gamut monitor will be too saturated.]

Since the first scenario seems to fit you, output from LR in sRGB space and make sRGB the working space in PSCS.


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Mar 13, 2011 10:02 |  #3

Regarding your second question: Your camera makes an image 5186 x 3456 pixels and your monitor probably has a resolution of around 100 pixels per inch. At 100% zoom, one image pixel is represented by one screen pixel. That means that you are looking at a small section of an image that is 52 x 34.5 inches. If you made a print that size and put your nose a foot from it, would you be surprised to see some breakup of the image? Back off to 6 feet from your monitor or reduce the zoom.


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Mar 13, 2011 11:28 |  #4

If the original file is .cr2,
I would be happy to assist by developing it and send back the .xmp file of the development.
If you want, send it to tal@pskiss.com (external link)




  
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Mar 13, 2011 11:55 |  #5

Yeah. ProPhotoRGB image viewed in a non color managed environment will look like that.

Both images have no embedded profile, but if you open the first and assign ProPhotoRGB, it should look like it did in LR.

Looks like your display is awfully close to sRGB. I'm guessing it isn't calibrated?


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Mar 13, 2011 14:04 |  #6

ok guys sorry for sounding so noobish but i have no idea what you are all talking about sRGB and so in please explain, i dont think its my monitor because when i open the saved jpeg it opens and shows exactly the way i edited it ,


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Mar 13, 2011 14:06 |  #7

tal_ninio wrote in post #12011473 (external link)
If the original file is .cr2,
I would be happy to assist by developing it and send back the .xmp file of the development.
If you want, send it to tal@pskiss.com (external link)



hey mate i would love you to do it but then i dont learn, i really need everyones help to teach me how to do this myself


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Mar 13, 2011 14:44 |  #8

jgarner447 wrote in post #12012099 (external link)
ok guys sorry for sounding so noobish but i have no idea what you are all talking about sRGB and so in please explain, i dont think its my monitor because when i open the saved jpeg it opens and shows exactly the way i edited it ,

The "color space" of the image is applied when converting it using the Lightroom Export function. You need to designate that color space. In the Lightroom Export dialog or in the Edit in Photoshop preferences/dialog you specify a color space. This is what sRGB is "about" as well as the alternatives.

So, understand that many image viewers can only properly interpret the sRGB color space and most consumer monitors as well. So unless you direct Lightroom to export your image to the sRGB color space you will likely get a "different" look when you open the image in another viewer.


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Mar 13, 2011 18:06 |  #9

when i upload it or open it in another picture viewer it loses like 40% of its colour

when i open the saved jpeg it opens and shows exactly the way i edited it

Contradiction?

Maybe you should read this: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=707058


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Mar 13, 2011 20:13 |  #10

No no cotradiction...i open it on windows picture veiwer and I can see it exactly like I edited it...if I drag the file to paint it becomes dull as pictured above if I upload or view this image somewhere else it also becomes dull..


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Mar 13, 2011 22:35 |  #11

So, we need you to get back to us about your color space.

The three places to check are your Lightroom Export dialog (if you are using that) -- there is a setting for your color space conversion -- it will either be sRGB, aRGB or ProPhotoRGB. Then there is your Edit in Photoshop dialog -- same thing. Then there is your Photoshop Color Preferences gotten to through the Edit menu.

For now, it's "safe" to set everything to use sRGB and to set your Photoshop preferences to either automatically convert a non-sRGB file to sRGB or to at least pop up a notification asking you.

Please check on these things and get back to us!


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Mar 14, 2011 01:13 |  #12

tonylong wrote in post #12014647 (external link)
So, we need you to get back to us about your color space.

The three places to check are your Lightroom Export dialog (if you are using that) -- there is a setting for your color space conversion -- it will either be sRGB, aRGB or ProPhotoRGB. Then there is your Edit in Photoshop dialog -- same thing. Then there is your Photoshop Color Preferences gotten to through the Edit menu.

For now, it's "safe" to set everything to use sRGB and to set your Photoshop preferences to either automatically convert a non-sRGB file to sRGB or to at least pop up a notification asking you.

Please check on these things and get back to us!



Ok mate i searched long and hard to find these settings, please tell me if these are the ones you speak of and please tell me what i should change these settings too to get the best colour , i want my pics to be able to be viewed exactly how i have edited them

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Mar 14, 2011 02:32 |  #13

Ah, there we have it!

To start with, let's get "safe". In Lightroom, change that Color Space setting to sRGB. In Photoshop, you are set up to be working in sRGB "sorta", but when you get a ProPhotoRGB file from Lightroom Photoshop does not convert it. So, unless you specifically convert it (this can be done through Save for Web but you need to know what you are doing) then your colors will be off (as you've seen).

So make the change in Lightroom Preferences (and do this the next time you do an Export) and things should improve, but in the Photoshop Color settings you want to do things thoughtful -- you can either automatically convert to sRGB or you can have Photoshop prompt you, but the way you have things is like "blah who cares?" and an image can go through your setup in a bad color space.

Glad you found those dialogs and got them up, it clears things up!

Now, if you want a bit more "control", sure you can keep Lightroom sending things to Photoshop in ProPhotoRGB but you will always have to convert the image yourself through the Edit/Convert function to sRGB. So, for now, why bother until you have a reason!


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Mar 14, 2011 02:37 |  #14

ok mate thanks for that ill give it a go and see how i go


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Mar 14, 2011 02:53 |  #15

tonylong your a champion mate, just had a crack with the new settings and BINGO .... thank you so much, here is one i just edited , over cooked probably but just wanted to see if it would bring out the blue as bright as i wanted it

original before PP

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